3b mystery

Adam Gratz adamgratz at gmail.com
Tue Dec 21 13:08:06 PST 2010 

Firing order is off or cam timing is off.
Although a bad maf can act like this. Check the pins on the maf
harness and see if one of the connectors is cracked or pushed in.
Won't you feel like a dope if the firing order is off.....

My 2c

Doc-


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> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:47:48 -0500
> From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Mystery3B  problem (long)
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> Ben Swann wrote:
>> At this point even if I find and fix the problem, the guy has
>> no money to pay me.
>
> Oy. Even if you want to be charitable this holiday season, be honest
> with him. If he has so little money, he shouldn't be trying to keep
> a maintenance-expensive car on the road. Suggest he sell it through
> Craigslist, make him an offer, and suggest he get a simpler car to
> repair,  maybe an American brand for which he can find an able
> mechanic on every corner.
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> --
> Kent McLean
> 1999 A4 Avant, V6 Tiptronic
> 1990 200 Avant mit V8 conversion
> gone: too many to count, including my first, "Bad Puppy"
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> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:49:52 -0500
> From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Mystery3B  problem (long)
> To: <kentmclean at comcast.net>,    <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Cc: 'Ben Swann' <benswann at verizon.net>
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> I don't buy it.  There are two cats - both clogged to the point of this sort of running.
> That and the exhaust was checked.  Oh yeah, I forgot something else he told me - the
> cats are punched out - so this is not the problem.
>
> I'm looking more from the perspective, what was the last thing that was messed with, and
> in this case a big way.  That would be the head was completely rebuilt.
>
> Don't know why the heads were rebuilt, presumably to solve this problem.  Presumably
> perhaps because some one prior to that messed with the cams, and left others to deal
> with the aftermath.
>
> Just seeing if there is any other possibility.  I really shouldn't care, but being I let
> myself get sucked into fixing other peoples cars, I want to make sure I'm spending my
> time doing that wisely.  Not that fixing other peoples cars for cheap is a sane thing to
> do in the first place, but I digress.
>
> Ben
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> [Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:54:25 -0500
> From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net>
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> On 12/20/2010 10:32 AM, Ben Swann wrote:
>> Some sort of air intake or induction problem?  Possibly a fuel delivery problem.
>> Suggested blocked cats - that has already been ruled out accoring to
>> owner - exhaust was separated from DP and problem existed.
>
> Given it doesn't like to rev, and there was heavy black exhaust when you could get it
> to, my guess is still a clogged cat.
>
> They say the problem persisted with the exhaust removed. But maybe the rich exhaust and
> bad 02 was 1/2 the problem even with the exhaust removed.
> And now with those problems fixed, the clogged cat can rear its ugly head.
>
> Or go back to the basics -- air, fuel, compression, ignition: which one is playing hard
> to get?]
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> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:22:54 -0500
> From: brady zq <bradyzq at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B  problem (long)
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> Did you perform a compression test?
>
> Cheers,
> Brady
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> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:38:28 -0500
> From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B  problem (long)
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> That would be next, but no.
>
> Ben
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> Did you perform a compression test?
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> Cheers,
> Brady
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> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:44:07 -0800
> From: "George" <gsidman at webloq.com>
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B  problem (long)
> To: "'alan cordeiro'" <alancordeiro at comcast.net>,    "'Ben Swann'"
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> Have you checked the plug wires from the dist. to the plugs?  These symptoms
> sound like what happened when I mixed the plug wires on the dist and the
> firing order was off.  Also, I have had similar symptoms when a plug to one
> of the injectors disintegrated and fired randomly.
>
> George Sidman
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> From: Tony Hoffman <auditony at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Mystery3B problem (long)
> To: Ben Swann <benswann at verizon.net>
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> Ben, absolutely 100% sounds like a camshaft timing problem. No vacuum,
> bogging, then sudden overboost. That's the first thing i'd check. As you
> suspect, I'd definately check the intake and exhaust relationship as well as
> the cam to crank relationship.
>
> Tony
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> From: match <fjs12754 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Fw: RE: Mystery3B  problem (long)
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> --- On Mon, 12/20/10, match <fjs12754 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: match <fjs12754 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B  problem (long)
> To: "Ben Swann" <benswann at verizon.net>
> Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 11:42 PM
>
> I'd be checking the? valve/cam timing Ben, many of the symptoms point
> that way. Back firing, no power, won't rev, poor vacuum... perhaps even
> the crankcase/dipstick hissing too. What about distributor hall
> sender........ crankshaft key??
>
> I hope he ponies up the funds, I'd like to know what you find.
>
> --- On Mon, 12/20/10, Ben Swann <benswann at verizon.net> wrote:
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> From: Ben Swann <benswann at verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B  problem (long)
> To: "'brady zq'" <bradyzq at hotmail.com>, 200q20v at audifans.com
> Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 7:38 PM
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> That would be next, but no.
>
> Ben
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> Did you perform a compression test?
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> Cheers,
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> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:39:30 -0500
> From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B  problem (long)
> To: "'George'" <gsidman at webloq.com>,    "'alan cordeiro'"
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> No - that  is something I had not considered.  Being several other things were off, this
> would be relatively easy to check.
>
> I most certainly have not ruled out ignition, although I did swap in a different coil
> with no effect.
>
> Ben
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> From: George [mailto:gsidman at webloq.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:44 PM
> To: 'alan cordeiro'; 'Ben Swann'; '200q20V mailing list'
> Cc: 'Ben Swann'
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B problem (long)
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> Have you checked the plug wires from the dist. to the plugs?  These symptoms sound like
> what happened when I mixed the plug wires on the dist and the firing order was off.
> Also, I have had similar symptoms when a plug to one of the injectors disintegrated and
> fired randomly.
>
> George Sidman
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:49:30 -0500
> From: <James.Pasqualoni at sungard.com>
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B  problem (long)
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> Any pinging when the boost comes up?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <200q20v-bounces at audifans.com>@SUNGARD On Behalf Of Ben Swann
> <benswann at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:40 PM
> To: 'George'; 'alan cordeiro'; '200q20V mailing list'
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B problem (long)
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> No - that  is something I had not considered.  Being several other
> things were off, this
> would be relatively easy to check.
>
> I most certainly have not ruled out ignition, although I did swap in a
> different coil
> with no effect.
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George [mailto:gsidman at webloq.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:44 PM
> To: 'alan cordeiro'; 'Ben Swann'; '200q20V mailing list'
> Cc: 'Ben Swann'
> Subject: RE: Mystery3B problem (long)
>
> Have you checked the plug wires from the dist. to the plugs?  These
> symptoms sound like
> what happened when I mixed the plug wires on the dist and the firing
> order was off.
> Also, I have had similar symptoms when a plug to one of the injectors
> disintegrated and
> fired randomly.
>
> George Sidman
>
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