1991 200 TQ 20v no-start continues but Vag-Com is here.
Jim
jim at hotgrips.com
Wed Nov 3 15:17:18 PDT 2010
I removed the 4 allen cap screws and pulled out the two sensors without any
difficulty, replaced the 4 allen cap screws with never-seize and got
stainless steel ones from McMaster-Carr. Nothing broke but then I didn't
try to remove the two sensors from the piece that holds them in position
above the flywheel teeth. I kept the assembly together as one unit. I am
putting all effort into the grounds and to see what the Vag-Com software
will tell me. And of course getting the distributor cap back in position
and clipped.
I'm a little puzzled by the concern over the engine ground to frame. Mine
looks fine, not corroded, and the starter cranks fine, but I will remove
both ends of it and file the mating surfaces and re-assemble. Today I
replaced the fuel pump relay because I found one for $26. online. The
ground under the rear seat looks like new.
It got down to 20 F. last night, not too much time left to find this problem
before snow arrives. Will have to make room for the car in a garage.
Jim
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> From: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
> Subject: no start 1991 TQ 20v frustrations continue
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> I did manage to release the distributor cap, and confirm the rotor is
> turning, but getting the 2 metal clips back into position proved too much
> for me. Do you need to remove the intake manifold to see what you are
> doing, or is it all by blind touch?
>
> Jim
>
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>> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:26:07 -0400
>> From: "Eric Huppert" <ehuppert at hvc.rr.com>
>> Subject: is there a Trick to removing the connectors at the harness
>> connector
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>> Jim,
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't recall having a problem disconnecting the clips in place, but if
>> needed just spread the tanks and pull the uppermost connector out so you
>> can
>> release the clips. Kind of a pita, but quite doable. Per the Bentley (and
>> Scott M's site) both senders can be checked with a ohm meter. Believe the
>> car will start with a bad rpm sensor, but the TDC sensor is required.
>> I've
>> also seen problems with debris on the ends of the sensors. Sensor is
>> trying
>> to read through the crud (metal shavings, etc) . Usually you can remove
>> the
>> allen head and remove the sensor to check it, but sometimes they're
>> seized
>> in the housing, hence you'll have to remove the housing.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can check continuity for the sensors by removing the ecu connector
>> and
>> following Scott M's pin-out, but easier to disconnect in the engine
>> compartment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does the ignition have spark? No spark will also cause no fuel if
>> ecu/sensor
>> related.. System may pressurize, but injectors won't fire.
>>
>>
>>
>> As others have stated, check out Scott Mockry's site, very comprehensive
>> instructions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
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> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 14:35:52 -0600
> From: Kneale Brownson <kneale at knitknacks.com>
> Subject: Re: no start 1991 TQ 20v frustrations continue
> To: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
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> If you just need to reattach the distributor cap, I've found it's
> easier (Note:still far from being easy) if you get the rear clip hooked
> up and then do the more forward one. You can sort of see the forward
> one through the gap between the intake manifold and the valve cover and
> push on it with a broad screwdriver to get it hooked up.
>
> If you find you just can't get this process started, removing the
> throttle body will give you enough space to reach in to do the rearward
> clip, a great tip I got from George Sidman while I was struggling with
> distributor removal. If you take off the intake manifold, you have to
> replace a $30 gasket.
>
> Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc. wrote:
>> I did manage to release the distributor cap, and confirm the rotor is
>> turning, but getting the 2 metal clips back into position proved too much
>> for me. Do you need to remove the intake manifold to see what you are
>> doing, or is it all by blind touch?
>>
>> Jim
>>
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>>> Jim,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't recall having a problem disconnecting the clips in place, but if
>>> needed just spread the tanks and pull the uppermost connector out so you
>>> can
>>> release the clips. Kind of a pita, but quite doable. Per the Bentley
>>> (and
>>> Scott M's site) both senders can be checked with a ohm meter. Believe
>>> the
>>> car will start with a bad rpm sensor, but the TDC sensor is required.
>>> I've
>>> also seen problems with debris on the ends of the sensors. Sensor is
>>> trying
>>> to read through the crud (metal shavings, etc) . Usually you can remove
>>> the
>>> allen head and remove the sensor to check it, but sometimes they're
>>> seized
>>> in the housing, hence you'll have to remove the housing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can check continuity for the sensors by removing the ecu connector
>>> and
>>> following Scott M's pin-out, but easier to disconnect in the engine
>>> compartment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does the ignition have spark? No spark will also cause no fuel if
>>> ecu/sensor
>>> related.. System may pressurize, but injectors won't fire.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As others have stated, check out Scott Mockry's site, very comprehensive
>>> instructions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:58:33 -0700
> From: Bernie Benz <b.benz at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: checking that the rotor is turning on the no-start 91 200
> TQ 20v
> To: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
> Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
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> Jim,
> I will fwd my dist. timing instructions. Should check this while
> you?re in there.
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc.
> wrote:
>
>> Do you normally remove the intake manifold to gain access to it. I
>> was able to release the two retaining clips, but once I confirmed
>> the rotor was turning, and determined that the Hall sensor timing
>> was not something I was going to be able to visualize in the
>> distributor, I tried to put the clips back on and it was total
>> frustration.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie Benz" <b.benz at charter.net>
>> To: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: checking that the rotor is turning on the no-start 91
>> 200 TQ 20v
>>
>>
>>> No retaining screws involved, just hard to reach spring clips.
>>>
>>> Your codes:
>>>
>>> 4411, 4412, 4413, 4414, 4421 are injectors for cyl. 1 thru 5
>>> respectively.
>>> 2111 Engine speed sensor. No start symptom!
>>> 2411 No such code.
>>>
>>> Bernie
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg.,
>>> Inc. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Bernie. I've wanted to do that but the retaining screws
>>>> were difficult to get to for pulling off the distributor cap, so
>>>> that is on my list of things to do.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie Benz"
>>>> <b.benz at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: 1991 TQ 200 20v with 26k miles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Have you verified that the dist. rotor turns when cranking?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 30, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg.,
>>>>> Inc. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am the guy in NH with the 1991 TQ 200 20v with 26k miles and
>>>>>> no start
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>> I read up on how to pull the codes from the black,brown, and
>>>>>> blue connectors
>>>>>> in the driver's footwell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got a test light/buzzer combination and that combined with
>>>>>> the normal
>>>>>> buzzers in the background was really distracting, but I think
>>>>>> I have the
>>>>>> codes now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first code using the blinking improvised test
>>>>>> light method is 4414, I believe I recorded a code 4411,
>>>>>> 2111, 2411, and
>>>>>> 4412. Can there be that many codes that come up on a no-start
>>>>>> condition?
>>>>>> Can someone tell me what the codes indicate with my no-start
>>>>>> condition? Is
>>>>>> there a table of Audi codes posted somewhere?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks in advance for all replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim in Lebanon, NH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> (Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc.)
>>>>>>> 2. Re: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>> (Tony Hoffman)
>>>>>>> 3. Re: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>> (Brian K. Ullrich)
>>>>>>> 4. RE: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>> (kneale at knitknacks.com)
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>>>>>>> (feelstranger)
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>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:18:31 -0400
>>>>>>> From: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>> To: <200q20v at audifans.com>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to
>>>>>>> discuss many
>>>>>>> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on
>>>>>>> special test
>>>>>>> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in
>>>>>>> 1991. Recently
>>>>>>> I went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-
>>>>>>> start, cranks
>>>>>>> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel. I changed
>>>>>>> the large
>>>>>>> fuel filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark plugs
>>>>>>> and noted
>>>>>>> they were all dry. I loosened the front banjo bolt on what
>>>>>>> looks like a
>>>>>>> fuel rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and
>>>>>>> got fuel to
>>>>>>> spray out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay
>>>>>>> since that
>>>>>>> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix. In what
>>>>>>> other areas
>>>>>>> should I look for a problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves? thanks in
>>>>>>> advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:06:44 -0500
>>>>>>> From: Tony Hoffman <auditony at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>> To: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: liste Audi <200q20v at audifans.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>> <AANLkTinHm6iuzScZMVW2jfs3Zn5emS926OD3o7L2aC5n at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim, it sounds like you are getting fuel, if it's spraying
>>>>>>> out of hte
>>>>>>> banjo bolt at the fuel rail. Just out of curiosity, can you
>>>>>>> feel the
>>>>>>> fuel pump relay click when cranking?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be checking for spark next. If you have none, it's a
>>>>>>> matter of
>>>>>>> what is causing that, and probably not firing the injectors
>>>>>>> also. Is
>>>>>>> the tach bouncing while cranking? If not, you may have a bad
>>>>>>> reference
>>>>>>> or timing sensor. Or, perhaps a bad connection or a (God
>>>>>>> forbid) mouse
>>>>>>> chewed wire. Anyhow, let us know what you find.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and just out of curiosity, where are you at?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Jim Hollander at Hot Grips
>>>>>>> Mfg., Inc.
>>>>>>> <Jim at hotgrips.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to
>>>>>>>> discuss many
>>>>>>>> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on
>>>>>>>> special test
>>>>>>>> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in
>>>>>>>> 1991. ? Recently
>>>>>>>> I went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-
>>>>>>>> start, cranks
>>>>>>>> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel. ?I changed
>>>>>>>> the large
>>>>>>>> fuel filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark
>>>>>>>> plugs and noted
>>>>>>>> they were all dry. ?I loosened the front banjo bolt on what
>>>>>>>> looks like a
>>>>>>>> fuel rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and
>>>>>>>> got fuel to
>>>>>>>> spray out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay
>>>>>>>> since that
>>>>>>>> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix. ?In what
>>>>>>>> other areas
>>>>>>>> should I look for a problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves? ?thanks in
>>>>>>>> advance.
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>>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:01:43 -0500
>>>>>>> From: "Brian K. Ullrich" <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>> To: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "<200q20v at audifans.com>" <200q20v at audifans.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <8A70DDCF-98FA-42D5-ADE0-296F52C30FE8 at ullrichsys.com>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Tony. Having just gone through this myself, I'd
>>>>>>> start with
>>>>>>> spark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI, the fuel pump assy is IN the fuel tank, and is dirty
>>>>>>> nasty smelly
>>>>>>> business. Last resort sort of stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2010, at 21:18, "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg.,
>>>>>>> Inc."
>>>>>>> <Jim at hotgrips.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to
>>>>>>>> discuss many
>>>>>>>> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on
>>>>>>>> special test
>>>>>>>> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in
>>>>>>>> 1991. Recently
>>>>>>>> I went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-
>>>>>>>> start, cranks
>>>>>>>> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel. I changed
>>>>>>>> the large
>>>>>>>> fuel filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark
>>>>>>>> plugs and noted
>>>>>>>> they were all dry. I loosened the front banjo bolt on what
>>>>>>>> looks like a
>>>>>>>> fuel rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and
>>>>>>>> got fuel to
>>>>>>>> spray out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay
>>>>>>>> since that
>>>>>>>> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix. In what
>>>>>>>> other areas
>>>>>>>> should I look for a problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves? thanks in
>>>>>>>> advance.
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> 200q20v mailing list http://www.audifans.com/mailman/
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:33:37 -0400
>>>>>>> From: "kneale at knitknacks.com" <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>> To: jim at hotgrips.com, 200q20v at audifans.com
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <380-2201010529123337791 at M2W129.mail2web.com>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have fuel spray, you have fuel pump operation, so I'd
>>>>>>> look to
>>>>>>> electrical issues. Review the stuff on Scott Mockry's
>>>>>>> resourceful
>>>>>>> website:
>>>>>>> http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/trouble_shooting/nostart.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Original Message:
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>> From: Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc. Jim at hotgrips.com
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:18:31 -0400
>>>>>>> To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to
>>>>>>> discuss many
>>>>>>> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on
>>>>>>> special test
>>>>>>> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in
>>>>>>> 1991. Recently
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-start,
>>>>>>> cranks
>>>>>>> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel. I changed
>>>>>>> the large
>>>>>>> fuel
>>>>>>> filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark plugs and
>>>>>>> noted they
>>>>>>> were all dry. I loosened the front banjo bolt on what looks
>>>>>>> like a fuel
>>>>>>> rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and got
>>>>>>> fuel to spray
>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay
>>>>>>> since that
>>>>>>> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix. In what
>>>>>>> other areas
>>>>>>> should I look for a problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves? thanks in
>>>>>>> advance.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> 200q20v mailing list http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/
>>>>>>> 200q20v
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>>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:53:57 -0400
>>>>>>> From: "feelstranger" <feelstranger at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>> To: <200q20v at audifans.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <BAY152-ds209079F56C256679B50280CF450 at phx.gbl>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that a Typo?? Did you really mean 26K miles?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:18 PM
>>>>>>> To: <200q20v at audifans.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to
>>>>>>>> discuss many
>>>>>>>> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on
>>>>>>>> special test
>>>>>>>> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in
>>>>>>>> 1991. Recently
>>>>>>>> I went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-
>>>>>>>> start, cranks
>>>>>>>> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel. I changed
>>>>>>>> the large
>>>>>>>> fuel filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark
>>>>>>>> plugs and noted
>>>>>>>> they were all dry. I loosened the front banjo bolt on what
>>>>>>>> looks like a
>>>>>>>> fuel rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and
>>>>>>>> got fuel to
>>>>>>>> spray out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay
>>>>>>>> since that
>>>>>>>> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix. In what
>>>>>>>> other areas
>>>>>>>> should I look for a problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves? thanks in
>>>>>>>> advance.
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