1991 TQ 200 20v with 26k miles

Sat Oct 30 10:44:00 PDT 2010

I am the guy in NH with the 1991 TQ 200 20v with 26k miles and no start 
problem.
I read up on how to pull the codes from the black,brown, and blue connectors
in the driver's footwell.

I got a test light/buzzer combination and that combined with the normal 
buzzers in the background was really distracting, but I think I have the 
codes now.

The first code using the blinking improvised test
light method is 4414,  I believe I recorded a code 4411, 2111, 2411, and
4412.  Can there be that many codes that come up on a no-start condition?
Can someone tell me what the codes indicate with my no-start condition?  Is
there a table of Audi codes posted somewhere?

Many thanks in advance for all replies.

Jim in Lebanon, NH

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>   1. Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
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>      (Tony Hoffman)
>   3. Re: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>      (Brian K. Ullrich)
>   4. RE: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>      (kneale at knitknacks.com)
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> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:18:31 -0400
> From: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
> Subject: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
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> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to discuss many 
> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>
> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on special test 
> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>
> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in 1991.  Recently 
> I went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-start, cranks 
> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel.  I changed the large 
> fuel filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark plugs and noted 
> they were all dry.  I loosened the front banjo bolt on what looks like a 
> fuel rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and got fuel to 
> spray out.
>
> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay since that 
> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix.  In what other areas 
> should I look for a problem?
>
> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>
> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves?  thanks in advance.
>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:06:44 -0500
> From: Tony Hoffman <auditony at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
> To: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
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> Jim, it sounds like you are getting fuel, if it's spraying out of hte
> banjo bolt at the fuel rail. Just out of curiosity, can you feel the
> fuel pump relay click when cranking?
>
> I'd be checking for spark next. If you have none, it's a matter of
> what is causing that, and probably not firing the injectors also. Is
> the tach bouncing while cranking? If not, you may have a bad reference
> or timing sensor. Or, perhaps a bad connection or a (God forbid) mouse
> chewed wire. Anyhow, let us know what you find.
>
> Oh, and just out of curiosity, where are you at?
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc.
> <Jim at hotgrips.com> wrote:
>> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to discuss many 
>> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>>
>> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on special test 
>> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>>
>> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in 1991. ?Recently 
>> I went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-start, cranks 
>> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel. ?I changed the large 
>> fuel filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark plugs and noted 
>> they were all dry. ?I loosened the front banjo bolt on what looks like a 
>> fuel rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and got fuel to 
>> spray out.
>>
>> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay since that 
>> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix. ?In what other areas 
>> should I look for a problem?
>>
>> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>>
>> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves? ?thanks in advance.
>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:01:43 -0500
> From: "Brian K. Ullrich" <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>
> Subject: Re: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
> To: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
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> Jim,
>
> I agree with Tony. Having just gone through this myself, I'd start with 
> spark.
>
> FYI, the fuel pump assy is IN the fuel tank, and is dirty nasty smelly 
> business. Last resort sort of stuff.
>
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> On Oct 28, 2010, at 21:18, "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." 
> <Jim at hotgrips.com> wrote:
>
>> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to discuss many 
>> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>>
>> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on special test 
>> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>>
>> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in 1991.  Recently 
>> I went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-start, cranks 
>> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel.  I changed the large 
>> fuel filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark plugs and noted 
>> they were all dry.  I loosened the front banjo bolt on what looks like a 
>> fuel rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and got fuel to 
>> spray out.
>>
>> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay since that 
>> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix.  In what other areas 
>> should I look for a problem?
>>
>> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>>
>> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves?  thanks in advance.
>> _______________________________________________
>> 200q20v mailing list     http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v
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> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:33:37 -0400
> From: "kneale at knitknacks.com" <kneale at knitknacks.com>
> Subject: RE: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
> To: jim at hotgrips.com,  200q20v at audifans.com
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> If you have fuel spray, you have fuel pump operation, so I'd look to
> electrical issues.  Review the stuff on Scott Mockry's resourceful 
> website:
> http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/trouble_shooting/nostart.html
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> From: Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc. Jim at hotgrips.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:18:31 -0400
> To: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Subject: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>
>
> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to discuss many
> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>
> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on special test
> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>
> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in 1991.  Recently 
> I
> went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-start, cranks
> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel.  I changed the large 
> fuel
> filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark plugs and noted they
> were all dry.  I loosened the front banjo bolt on what looks like a fuel
> rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and got fuel to spray
> out.
>
> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay since that
> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix.  In what other areas
> should I look for a problem?
>
> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>
> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves?  thanks in advance.
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> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:53:57 -0400
> From: "feelstranger" <feelstranger at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
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> Is that a Typo??  Did you really mean 26K miles?
>
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> From: "Jim Hollander at Hot Grips Mfg., Inc." <Jim at hotgrips.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:18 PM
> To: <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Subject: Need guidance on a '91 TQ 200 20v that won't start
>
>> Have the Bentley manuals (set of 3 volumes) but they seem to discuss many
>> VW and Vag-Com tools I will never have access to.
>>
>> Is there a troubleshooting guidebook that doesn't rely on special test
>> equipment to make progress in diagnosing a no-start problem?
>>
>> My car has low miles (26k) and have owned it since new in 1991.  Recently
>> I went to start it to get the rust off the brakes and no-start, cranks
>> strong, but acts like it is not getting any fuel.  I changed the large
>> fuel filter in the engine compartment, pulled the spark plugs and noted
>> they were all dry.  I loosened the front banjo bolt on what looks like a
>> fuel rail above the fuel injectors on top of the engine and got fuel to
>> spray out.
>>
>> Relevant fuse #13 is OK, so I ordered a new fuel pump relay since that
>> would be an easy to replace low cost possible fix.  In what other areas
>> should I look for a problem?
>>
>> Is access to the fuel pump beneath the spare tire plastic tub?
>>
>> Can anyone make some suggestions on my next moves?  thanks in advance.
>> _______________________________________________
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