[BiturboS4] Blown Turbos (Non-Chipped S4) - Update

Thu Apr 17 00:12:46 EDT 2003

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I'm not arguing, but I have to think that comparing the audi to a
porsche is extreme as well.  might as well compare a turbo'd civic and
complain that it blows up in 5000 miles.  (hehe ok, just kidding that is
extreme!!)  but I do hope you get your turbos fixed.

Mike

j y wrote:

>No offense Mike - but your suggestions are extreme.
>I've never had to follow these steps with my 17 yr old
>Porsche 951. I only allow a 'cool down' (idling the
>car for 1-2 mins) after a hard run and that's it. As
>soon as I turn off the ignition - the afterrun pump
>(Ian's term) comes on for another 1-2 mins. That's it.
>The Porsche is chipped with other mods - the S4 is
>stock except for the DVs (Stratmosphere).
>
>jy
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>--- mike kuriger <michael at isuzu-mods.com> wrote:
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>>the turbos are not weak.  if they are designed to
>>last 50,000 miles and
>>they last 52,000 miles then I don't see audi's
>>fault.  turbo's fail,
>>it's a fact of life.  some fail faster depending on
>>how the car is
>>driven but it is going to fail.  if you want to
>>extend the life of your
>>turbos, it's up to you to change the oil more often,
>>and run the motor
>>at idle EVERY time you stop for 2 to 3 minutes.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Bruce Mendel wrote:
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>>>I agree.....if this were about a one-off failure
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>>that occurred after
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>>>warranty, or due to chipping, it would be one
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>>thing. However, this is a
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>>>known problem that affects many stock cars in the
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>>same model lineup, some
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>>>before, some after warranty.
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>>>Once that becomes known, it is Audi's job to
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>>identify the problem and
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>>>recall/repair ALL the potentially affected units,
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>>or if they want to avoid a
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>>>recall, to take care of people that experience this
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>>problem after warranty
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>>>and/or extend the powertrain warranty or turbo
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>>warranty to give customers
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>>>peace of mind.
>>>
>>>It's like you know you have a weak staircase and
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>>people have fallen through
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>>>it before. You do not tell anyone you have a weak
>>>
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>>staircase, but rather say:
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>>>"Anyone that falls through the staircase after 9PM
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>>will not get an ambulance
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>>>or get their broken bones set."
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>>>If you did not know the staircase was weak and
>>>
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>>prone to failure to begin
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>>>with, no one would think anything of the 9PM
>>>
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>>limitation. Once you know it's
>>
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>>>weak, that statement defines "weasel".
>>>
>>>Bruce
>>>01' S4, stock turbos
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "California Fields" <cfields72 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 12:32 PM
>>>Subject: RE: [BiturboS4] Blown Turbos (Non-Chipped
>>>
>>>
>>S4) - Update
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>>>>Scott, while I understand what you are saying,
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>>this is EXACTLY what leads
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>>>to
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>>>>poorly managed companies, "Their responsibilities
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>>end when the warranty
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>>>runs
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>>>>out."  On the contrary, what separates a great
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>>company from a poor one is
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>>>the
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>>>>ability to maintain customer service
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>>responsibilities even AFTER the
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>>>company's
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>>>>obligation.  When companies say, "oops, you're
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>>over our 50k limit, sorry
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>>>but
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>>>>your SOL," they significantly reduce peoples'
>>>>
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>>trust and willingness to
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>>>>consider their product again.  This is especially
>>>>
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>>the case when a product
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>(S4)
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>>>>had KNOWN weaknesses where problems were/are
>>>>
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>>likely to develop. By denying
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>>>customers
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>>>>service on a clearly inferior product (the turbo
>>>>
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>>design that is), they
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>>>risk
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>>>>alienating what keeps them in business - return
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>>customers.
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>>>>I hope our fellow S4 owner takes it to 'em and
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>>gets the coverage he
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>>>deserves.
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>>>>------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Carter Fields, San Francisco
>>>>2001.5, GIAC-X, Miltek 3" cat-back, Strat.
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>>shifter, Strat. DVs, A-pillar
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>>>boost
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>>>>gauge
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