[Biturbos4] Bilstein Sports or Koni Yellows?

[r harout]

labor on all 4. i have to pay for the shocks

--- mike <mikemk40 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry to (maybe) rain on your parade but it doesn’t
> sound like any dealer I’ve ever come across
> 
> Are you sure they mean all four? are you sure they
> mean whatever shocks you want rather than stock? are
> you sure they don’t mean free labour, you pay for
> the
> shocks? 
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- r harout <carrera3_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Looking for input.. Bought this car with eibach
> > springs and koni yellow shocks installed. Never
> > driven
> > an S4 before this, so I'm not sure how it rides
> > stock.
> > 
> > Well, I had a major rattling coming from the right
> > rear. I knew about this when I bough the car, and
> > the
> > guy I bought it from said it was the right rear
> > upper
> > control arm.
> > 
> > Out of sheer laziness I took the car to the Audi
> > dealer (it is simply way to much work to find a
> good
> > shop in MA that can look at your car within a 3
> week
> > timeframe).
> > 
> > $500 later, same rattle. The service guy said the
> > rattle is still there becasue the rear trut is
> bad).
> > 
> > In other words, they took my word for it and
> > probably
> > never drive the car.
> > 
> > Called dealer and complained. And to my surprise,
> > they
> > offered to install a set of shocks in the car for
> > free--or to replace the old control arm and get my
> > money back.
> > 
> > So. I'm going for the shocks--and might as well
> have
> > them all done since they're footin' the bill.
> > 
> > Now I need to make a choice--Bilstein sports with
> > the
> > eibachs or replace the yellows (which seem to be
> > much
> > more expensive?)
> > 
> > $450 for a set of bilsteins (4) and $600 for a set
> > of
> > yellows.
> > 
> > Thoughts suggestions--? Anyone know which one
> rides
> > better, worse?
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Todd Sager <todd at awe-tuning.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > We're a BorgWarner Distributor and currently
> have
> > > genuine RS4 K04 turbo 
> > > sets in stock.  We also have different GIAC
> > software
> > > stages/fueling that 
> > > can be run with them.  Please contact us for
> more
> > > info.
> > > 
> > > At one time we were experimenting with hybrid
> RS4
> > > turbos, using a KKK 
> > > supplier overseas.  We were using RS6 based
> > > internals.  We never had a 
> > > failure with them, but the turbines were so
> large,
> > > with clipped fins, 
> > > that significant torque was sacrificed in
> exchange
> > > for 20-30hp near 
> > > redline.  The powerband was more normally
> > aspirated
> > > feeling in nature, 
> > > without that big power hit down low, but with a
> > > 72-7500 rev limit 
> > > (highest we felt comfortable with on a stock
> > > engine), these turbos were 
> > > just beginning to hit their stride.  They also
> > liked
> > > a couple more PSI 
> > > of boost than what we run on the RS4 K04s, which
> > we
> > > also were not 
> > > comfortable with on a stock engine.
> > > 
> > > Honestly, for US style driving on stock S4
> > engines,
> > > it is hard to beat 
> > > the stock RS4 K04s.  Plus, the hybrids we were
> > > dealing with came at a 
> > > $1500 premium per set over the RS4 ones...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > j y wrote:
> > > 
> > > >Based on my trolling of AudiWorld - many of the
> > K04
> > > hybrids have been troublesome.
> > > > 
> > > >Unless you are purchasing new K04 turbos from a
> > KKK
> > > dealer/distributor, I would be wary of anything
> > else
> > > (re-built, re-manufactured) that aftermkt
> vendors
> > > are pushing these days. Too many turbo failures.
> > You
> > > just don't know the quality of the machine shops
> > > that these vendors are using. 
> > > > 
> > > >I know that Achtuning had BIG issues with the
> > front
> > > mounted IC, because the mfg source was a "guy in
> > his
> > > garage (DUH Engineering)" - YES - really! So, if
> > > they would go this route for ICs, can u not be
> > > suspect of their turbo suppliers, especially if
> > they
> > > are selling re-built K04s, or K04/K03 hybrids. 
> > > > 
> > > >Just my $.02.
> > > >
> > > >r harout <carrera3_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >i saw a set listed on ebay brand new for $2700
> > > >
> > > >--- damon03 at ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >>Where do you suggest buying K04s?
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks,
> > > >>Damon
> > > >>
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: steadi at comcast.net
> > > >>Sent: Sep 13, 2005 10:12 PM
> > > >>To: Philip Pace 
> > > >>    
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >>Cc: Biturbo 
> > > >>Subject: Re: [Biturbos4] Turbo reliability
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>On Sep 13, 2005, at 7:26 PM, Philip Pace
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>    
> > > >>
> > > >>>Sorry for the delayed post. I bought the
> > > Achtuning
> > > >>>      
> > > >>>
> > > >>ones. Probably a 
> > > >>    
> > > >>
> > > >>>mistake.
> > > >>>      
> > > >>>
> > > >>Did you get the "Zero Clearance" crap they are
> > > >>selling? Nothing but 
> > > >>trouble with those. Besides the ZC coating
> only
> > > >>"last's" for less 
> > > >>then 50,000 miles
> > > >>
> > > >>Oh did I mention that the Achtuning re-builder
> > > >>doesn't balance it's 
> > > >>turbos?
> > > >>
> > > >>My Advice is first NOT to do Biz with
> Achtuning
> > > and
> > > >>2nd to have them 
> > > >>refund your money
> > > >>
> 
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