[Biturbos4] Bilstein Sports or Koni Yellows?

[r harout]

... they don't care if they are aftermarket parts.
These guys have installed bilsteins on my previous
audi and also on my toyota 4runner..

Not sure of you could walk in there with your own
control arms though..

they're usually pretty good, just expensive. this time
they knew they f-d up. 

i really don't think they even diagnosed the problem.
The fact that he offered to put the control arm back
in and didn't even argue reinforces it

--- mike <mikemk40 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry to (maybe) rain on your parade but it doesn’t
> sound like any dealer I’ve ever come across
> 
> Are you sure they mean all four? are you sure they
> mean whatever shocks you want rather than stock? are
> you sure they don’t mean free labour, you pay for
> the
> shocks? 
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- r harout <carrera3_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Looking for input.. Bought this car with eibach
> > springs and koni yellow shocks installed. Never
> > driven
> > an S4 before this, so I'm not sure how it rides
> > stock.
> > 
> > Well, I had a major rattling coming from the right
> > rear. I knew about this when I bough the car, and
> > the
> > guy I bought it from said it was the right rear
> > upper
> > control arm.
> > 
> > Out of sheer laziness I took the car to the Audi
> > dealer (it is simply way to much work to find a
> good
> > shop in MA that can look at your car within a 3
> week
> > timeframe).
> > 
> > $500 later, same rattle. The service guy said the
> > rattle is still there becasue the rear trut is
> bad).
> > 
> > In other words, they took my word for it and
> > probably
> > never drive the car.
> > 
> > Called dealer and complained. And to my surprise,
> > they
> > offered to install a set of shocks in the car for
> > free--or to replace the old control arm and get my
> > money back.
> > 
> > So. I'm going for the shocks--and might as well
> have
> > them all done since they're footin' the bill.
> > 
> > Now I need to make a choice--Bilstein sports with
> > the
> > eibachs or replace the yellows (which seem to be
> > much
> > more expensive?)
> > 
> > $450 for a set of bilsteins (4) and $600 for a set
> > of
> > yellows.
> > 
> > Thoughts suggestions--? Anyone know which one
> rides
> > better, worse?
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Todd Sager <todd at awe-tuning.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > We're a BorgWarner Distributor and currently
> have
> > > genuine RS4 K04 turbo 
> > > sets in stock.  We also have different GIAC
> > software
> > > stages/fueling that 
> > > can be run with them.  Please contact us for
> more
> > > info.
> > > 
> > > At one time we were experimenting with hybrid
> RS4
> > > turbos, using a KKK 
> > > supplier overseas.  We were using RS6 based
> > > internals.  We never had a 
> > > failure with them, but the turbines were so
> large,
> > > with clipped fins, 
> > > that significant torque was sacrificed in
> exchange
> > > for 20-30hp near 
> > > redline.  The powerband was more normally
> > aspirated
> > > feeling in nature, 
> > > without that big power hit down low, but with a
> > > 72-7500 rev limit 
> > > (highest we felt comfortable with on a stock
> > > engine), these turbos were 
> > > just beginning to hit their stride.  They also
> > liked
> > > a couple more PSI 
> > > of boost than what we run on the RS4 K04s, which
> > we
> > > also were not 
> > > comfortable with on a stock engine.
> > > 
> > > Honestly, for US style driving on stock S4
> > engines,
> > > it is hard to beat 
> > > the stock RS4 K04s.  Plus, the hybrids we were
> > > dealing with came at a 
> > > $1500 premium per set over the RS4 ones...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > j y wrote:
> > > 
> > > >Based on my trolling of AudiWorld - many of the
> > K04
> > > hybrids have been troublesome.
> > > > 
> > > >Unless you are purchasing new K04 turbos from a
> > KKK
> > > dealer/distributor, I would be wary of anything
> > else
> > > (re-built, re-manufactured) that aftermkt
> vendors
> > > are pushing these days. Too many turbo failures.
> > You
> > > just don't know the quality of the machine shops
> > > that these vendors are using. 
> > > > 
> > > >I know that Achtuning had BIG issues with the
> > front
> > > mounted IC, because the mfg source was a "guy in
> > his
> > > garage (DUH Engineering)" - YES - really! So, if
> > > they would go this route for ICs, can u not be
> > > suspect of their turbo suppliers, especially if
> > they
> > > are selling re-built K04s, or K04/K03 hybrids. 
> > > > 
> > > >Just my $.02.
> > > >
> > > >r harout <carrera3_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >i saw a set listed on ebay brand new for $2700
> > > >
> > > >--- damon03 at ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >>Where do you suggest buying K04s?
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks,
> > > >>Damon
> > > >>
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: steadi at comcast.net
> > > >>Sent: Sep 13, 2005 10:12 PM
> > > >>To: Philip Pace 
> > > >>    
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >>Cc: Biturbo 
> > > >>Subject: Re: [Biturbos4] Turbo reliability
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>On Sep 13, 2005, at 7:26 PM, Philip Pace
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>    
> > > >>
> > > >>>Sorry for the delayed post. I bought the
> > > Achtuning
> > > >>>      
> > > >>>
> > > >>ones. Probably a 
> > > >>    
> > > >>
> > > >>>mistake.
> > > >>>      
> > > >>>
> > > >>Did you get the "Zero Clearance" crap they are
> > > >>selling? Nothing but 
> > > >>trouble with those. Besides the ZC coating
> only
> > > >>"last's" for less 
> > > >>then 50,000 miles
> > > >>
> > > >>Oh did I mention that the Achtuning re-builder
> > > >>doesn't balance it's 
> > > >>turbos?
> > > >>
> > > >>My Advice is first NOT to do Biz with
> Achtuning
> > > and
> > > >>2nd to have them 
> > > >>refund your money
> > > >>
> 
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