[Es2] Re: Import worries
Kevin Kingan
klkinc at gis.net
Mon Dec 6 22:46:22 EST 2004
C';
You know what you might wanna try.
Try looking on the Net for someone who has a "Type Cert" for your type of
car.
A type cert is like a permit(from EPA ) to allow a Company to import one
certain model of car.
(Like the guys in CO who were bringing in the Cosworth Ford Escort 4X4 a few
years back).
More or less they take one car certify it as an example to prove to the Gov
it can pass, Crash test,safety,emissions etc..
The catch is they have to be all the same make and model..
So unless your car is a popular year & model, you might have better luck
finding a needle in a Haystack.
Also Look up certified US Approved EPA Auto testing companies( a Conversion
shop)
They were tons during the mid 80's but now I don't know. They might be hard
to find nowadays.
Also it might be worth calling a Customs Broker. See what advice they have
for you.
Also(I didn't tell you this haha) Couldnt you title it as a US car? Make a
phony bill of sale and apply for a title(say the seller didn't have one) I
am sure that the Vins are probably pretty close(maybe 1 or 2 Letters or #'s
off) Maybe they wont pick it up.
Ill do somebrain storming for you.
If I was you I would NOT got the Off road/Race car route, because once its
named as a race car you pretty much screwed in the title Dept.
Good luck and keep me up to date.
Cheers from Boston
Kevin
1988 Audi 90Q 2.3E Sport
1995 VW Jetta 2.0
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| Message: 1
| Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:33:07 -0700
| From: Ben Klumper <bklumper at mdbworld.com>
| Subject: Re: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
| To: c cohen <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>, es2 <es2 at audifans.com>
| Message-ID: <000c01c4dbdb$2d8c59b0$6701a8c0 at MDB1>
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| Colin,
|
| When was the last time the O2 sensor was replaced?
|
| Ben
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "c cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>
| To: "es2" <es2 at audifans.com>
| Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:29 PM
| Subject: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
|
|
| You guys have been kind enough to help shed some light on the mysteries of
| the KW engine in the light of your terrific AAN et al performers. I
wonder
| if you would take a look at this problem and tell me what you think.
|
| Starting in the Spring, it would occasionally run rough - as if it was
only
| running on 3 cylinders, but this was not the case. More like cutting out
| momentarily - would not accelerate but could maintain speed with very
light
| throttle. You feel like going to WOT but you know it will probably die
| before you get there. Then just as suddenly as the symptoms started, it
| cleared up and ran normally. This happened in daylight (no lights) dry
but
| around 28C with the A/C running. I switched off the A/C but that did not
| help. the shop I work with in TX thought it was the diverter valve and
| replaced it with one for a TT. the problem did not return but the car was
| not driven as regularly after June.
|
| In September, after a 300 mile run, 4 track runs and 275 miles home, all
| flawless, the problem started again. This time it got so bad that when I
| stopped for a light, it stalled and would not start. There was spark
| (checked) but a seemingly no fuel was getting through. The A/C was on but
I
| had switched it off well before it stalled. I had just refilled and
thought
| it might be bad gas. I got a tow to the other side of the intersection
and
| started calling for another tow. After 15 minutes of phone calls, I
turned
| the key, yet again, and its started, ran smoothly as if nothing had
happened
| and home I went. Warm dry day, 27-30 deg. C.
|
| Later in the same month it happened again but this time it did not stall
and
| cleared itself up after some nursing. I then put in a bottle of the
Chevron
| injector cleaner.
|
| Two weeks ago, I drove a round trip in driving rain with and without A/C,
| 20-25 deg C. No problems.
|
| On Friday I drove it to work (30 miles round trip) and as I pulled into
my
| garage that evening, it started running rough again. Tried to keep it
| going, played with all the electrics - but nothing made a difference. It
| was hunting, revving to 2000 then dropping to near stall, then back to
2000
| until it finally stalled. Cold dry day around 14 deg C. Once it stalled
I
| could not restart but smelled unburned fuel. The next morning the car
| started as normal - ran smooth.
| I am guessing it might be something to do with the fuel pump but it is not
| noisy; or filters, which were changed last year. There is no workshop
| manual for this car but I do have the calibration numbers for the various
| sensors but do not know where to start.
|
| One suggestion has been the fuel return or the accumulators?
|
| Anyway any ideas would be appreciated.
|
| Colin
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| Message: 2
| Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:49:58 -0500
| From: "Kevin Kingan" <klkinc at gis.net>
| Subject: [Es2] importing car from canada problems
| To: <es2 at audifans.com>
| Message-ID: <001b01c4dbdd$880a2c80$cdaf1e42 at Kevin>
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
|
| Hi;
| I don't think getting the car into the US is the real problem.
| The problem is getting it registered and titled!
| I am not sure what the laws are in your state, I live in Mass(which is
| pretty strict when it comes to titles)
| I brought a Canadian Spec Motorcycle in (Suzuki RG500 2 stroke) and had no
| problem getting it Registered and a title for it.
| Now things might be different for bikes, but they both have to conform to
| DOT Standards, I know bikes do not have EPA(Emissions)requirements(Yet!)
but
| considering that I brought a 2 stroke Streetbike in, a model that was
never
| allowed in the US (because of Emissions) has to say something.
| The Loophole that I found and used was this.
| It was no problem as long as the car(bike) was registered in Canada.
| In Canada they don't have titles (or they didn't then) all they have is a
| type of registration and all that I need to get a title in Mass was a copy
| of the bill of Sale and the Sellers Canadian Registration.
| Well i submitted the 2 with an application for a title and in 3 weeks I
had
| it , and never had any type of problem(I even sold it to a guy in CA and
he
| had no problems).
| So My advice is go to your Registry and ask them How would I register a
car
| I bought in Canada, what do I need? I think that as long as the car was
| available here in the US and you don't say how and what do I have to do to
| convert it, who knows you might get lucky.
| I Imported a few Euro Fords back in the "Grey Market days" when it was
| rather easy to get cars in, but with the current laws, if you have to Get
| EPA and DOT releases you might as well forget it.
| Its somewhat possible but not very cost effective.
| Good Luck and keep us posted
| Cheers from Boston
| Kevin
|
|
|
| 1988 Audi 90Q 2.3E Sport
| 1995 VW Jetta 2.0
|
|
|
||
|| Message: 1
|| Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:44:19 EST
|| From: Elijahallen92 at aol.com
|| Subject: Re: [Es2] importing car from canada problems
|| To: desmo888 at comcast.net, Jimmy at texasbankers.com,
|| davekase at pdqlocks.com
|| Cc: es2 at audifans.com
|| Message-ID: <90.52411a57.2ee27073 at aol.com>
|| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
||
||
|| OK, so this is getting ugly. How about bringing it in as an offroad
|| vehicle?? Anyone have experiance with this? Isn't this cutoff point that
| all of this
|| matters 15 years? So after 15 years none of this matters?? Thanks for all
| the
|| help, I really want to keep this car.
||
|| Elijah
||
|| In a message dated 12/3/2004 8:37:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
|| desmo888 at comcast.net writes:
||
|| `When I checked into it, it was a big deal. It was not just adding the
|| system but having it approved by the higher powers. In other words, a
| lot of
|| official paperwork to show that the system was properly installed.
||
|| Dave K.
|| ----- Original Message -----
|| From: Elijahallen92 at aol.com
|| To: Jimmy at texasbankers.com ; desmo888 at comcast.net ;
davekase at pdqlocks.com
|| Cc: es2 at audifans.com
|| Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:59 PM
|| Subject: Re: [Es2] importing car from canada problems
||
||
|| In a message dated 12/3/2004 8:27:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
|| Jimmy at texasbankers.com writes:
|| Don't folks bring in '92-'94 UrS4s all the time? I don't remember them
|| having to add airbags. Are these restrictions new? Perhaps they have
| only
|| brought in UrS6s? Perhaps I have been asleep. No matter what, it's
| likely that I
|| don't know what I'm talking about.
||
|| Jimmy "likes the off-road vehicle idea best" Pribble
||
|| Jimmy,
|| Thanks for the encouragement. I sure hope there's a way around this but
| man
|| it doesn't seem like it. I will keep posting as I learn what has to
| happen.
|| One thing no one has mentioned is how hard it is to add an airbag
system?
||
|| Elijah
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| Message: 3
| Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:27:24 -0600
| From: "c cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>
| Subject: Re: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
| To: "Ben Klumper" <bklumper at mdbworld.com>, "es2" <es2 at audifans.com>
| Message-ID: <007c01c4dbe3$3969ca30$6f3f12ac at aviallinc.com>
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
|
| Last year. I imported one from Kim Collins in the UK. He uses it on some
| of the cat equipped RR engines over there. No problems after the fitting
in
| March of 2003 until misfire started in February 2004.
|
| Colin
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Ben Klumper" <bklumper at mdbworld.com>
| To: "c cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>; "es2" <es2 at audifans.com>
| Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:33 PM
| Subject: Re: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
|
|
|
| Colin,
|
| When was the last time the O2 sensor was replaced?
|
| Ben
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "c cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>
| To: "es2" <es2 at audifans.com>
| Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:29 PM
| Subject: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
|
|
| You guys have been kind enough to help shed some light on the mysteries of
| the KW engine in the light of your terrific AAN et al performers. I
wonder
| if you would take a look at this problem and tell me what you think.
|
| Starting in the Spring, it would occasionally run rough - as if it was
only
| running on 3 cylinders, but this was not the case. More like cutting out
| momentarily - would not accelerate but could maintain speed with very
light
| throttle. You feel like going to WOT but you know it will probably die
| before you get there. Then just as suddenly as the symptoms started, it
| cleared up and ran normally. This happened in daylight (no lights) dry
but
| around 28C with the A/C running. I switched off the A/C but that did not
| help. the shop I work with in TX thought it was the diverter valve and
| replaced it with one for a TT. the problem did not return but the car was
| not driven as regularly after June.
|
| In September, after a 300 mile run, 4 track runs and 275 miles home, all
| flawless, the problem started again. This time it got so bad that when I
| stopped for a light, it stalled and would not start. There was spark
| (checked) but a seemingly no fuel was getting through. The A/C was on but
I
| had switched it off well before it stalled. I had just refilled and
thought
| it might be bad gas. I got a tow to the other side of the intersection
and
| started calling for another tow. After 15 minutes of phone calls, I
turned
| the key, yet again, and its started, ran smoothly as if nothing had
happened
| and home I went. Warm dry day, 27-30 deg. C.
|
| Later in the same month it happened again but this time it did not stall
and
| cleared itself up after some nursing. I then put in a bottle of the
Chevron
| injector cleaner.
|
| Two weeks ago, I drove a round trip in driving rain with and without A/C,
| 20-25 deg C. No problems.
|
| On Friday I drove it to work (30 miles round trip) and as I pulled into
my
| garage that evening, it started running rough again. Tried to keep it
| going, played with all the electrics - but nothing made a difference. It
| was hunting, revving to 2000 then dropping to near stall, then back to
2000
| until it finally stalled. Cold dry day around 14 deg C. Once it stalled
I
| could not restart but smelled unburned fuel. The next morning the car
| started as normal - ran smooth.
| I am guessing it might be something to do with the fuel pump but it is not
| noisy; or filters, which were changed last year. There is no workshop
| manual for this car but I do have the calibration numbers for the various
| sensors but do not know where to start.
|
| One suggestion has been the fuel return or the accumulators?
|
| Anyway any ideas would be appreciated.
|
| Colin
| _______________________________________________
| Es2 mailing list
| Es2 at audifans.com
| http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/es2
|
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 4
| Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:43:10 -0700
| From: Ben Klumper <bklumper at mdbworld.com>
| Subject: Re: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
| To: c cohen <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>, es2 <es2 at audifans.com>
| Message-ID: <000a01c4dbe4$f6a12980$6701a8c0 at MDB1>
| Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
| reply-type=original
|
| I'm assuming then you've checekd the other obvious things like coil
output,
| sparkplug wires, distributor cap and rotor, ISV, fuel pump relay. It
sounds
| like lack of spark to one or more cylinders rather than fuel supply sinch
| you smell unburned fuel. Any chance of getting a spare ECU to hook up?
Does
| the car have the ability to output engine fault codes?
|
| Ben
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "c cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>
| To: "Ben Klumper" <bklumper at mdbworld.com>; "es2" <es2 at audifans.com>
| Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:27 PM
| Subject: Re: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
|
|
| > Last year. I imported one from Kim Collins in the UK. He uses it on
some
| > of the cat equipped RR engines over there. No problems after the
fitting
| > in
| > March of 2003 until misfire started in February 2004.
| >
| > Colin
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Ben Klumper" <bklumper at mdbworld.com>
| > To: "c cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>; "es2" <es2 at audifans.com>
| > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:33 PM
| > Subject: Re: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
| >
| >
| >
| > Colin,
| >
| > When was the last time the O2 sensor was replaced?
| >
| > Ben
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "c cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>
| > To: "es2" <es2 at audifans.com>
| > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:29 PM
| > Subject: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
| >
| >
| > You guys have been kind enough to help shed some light on the mysteries
of
| > the KW engine in the light of your terrific AAN et al performers. I
| > wonder
| > if you would take a look at this problem and tell me what you think.
| >
| > Starting in the Spring, it would occasionally run rough - as if it was
| > only
| > running on 3 cylinders, but this was not the case. More like cutting
out
| > momentarily - would not accelerate but could maintain speed with very
| > light
| > throttle. You feel like going to WOT but you know it will probably die
| > before you get there. Then just as suddenly as the symptoms started, it
| > cleared up and ran normally. This happened in daylight (no lights) dry
| > but
| > around 28C with the A/C running. I switched off the A/C but that did
not
| > help. the shop I work with in TX thought it was the diverter valve and
| > replaced it with one for a TT. the problem did not return but the car
was
| > not driven as regularly after June.
| >
| > In September, after a 300 mile run, 4 track runs and 275 miles home, all
| > flawless, the problem started again. This time it got so bad that when
I
| > stopped for a light, it stalled and would not start. There was spark
| > (checked) but a seemingly no fuel was getting through. The A/C was on
but
| > I
| > had switched it off well before it stalled. I had just refilled and
| > thought
| > it might be bad gas. I got a tow to the other side of the intersection
| > and
| > started calling for another tow. After 15 minutes of phone calls, I
| > turned
| > the key, yet again, and its started, ran smoothly as if nothing had
| > happened
| > and home I went. Warm dry day, 27-30 deg. C.
| >
| > Later in the same month it happened again but this time it did not stall
| > and
| > cleared itself up after some nursing. I then put in a bottle of the
| > Chevron
| > injector cleaner.
| >
| > Two weeks ago, I drove a round trip in driving rain with and without
A/C,
| > 20-25 deg C. No problems.
| >
| > On Friday I drove it to work (30 miles round trip) and as I pulled into
| > my
| > garage that evening, it started running rough again. Tried to keep it
| > going, played with all the electrics - but nothing made a difference.
It
| > was hunting, revving to 2000 then dropping to near stall, then back to
| > 2000
| > until it finally stalled. Cold dry day around 14 deg C. Once it
stalled
| > I
| > could not restart but smelled unburned fuel. The next morning the car
| > started as normal - ran smooth.
| > I am guessing it might be something to do with the fuel pump but it is
not
| > noisy; or filters, which were changed last year. There is no workshop
| > manual for this car but I do have the calibration numbers for the
various
| > sensors but do not know where to start.
| >
| > One suggestion has been the fuel return or the accumulators?
| >
| > Anyway any ideas would be appreciated.
| >
| > Colin
| > _______________________________________________
| > Es2 mailing list
| > Es2 at audifans.com
| > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/es2
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 5
| Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:38:32 -0600
| From: "c cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>
| Subject: Re: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
| To: "Miller, Chris" <chris.miller at infofoundry.com>, "es2"
| <es2 at audifans.com>
| Cc: Joern Amundsen <joern.amundsen at online.no>
| Message-ID: <008701c4dbe5$53bb6400$6f3f12ac at aviallinc.com>
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
|
| Interesting idea Chris. Must say I have suspected a fuel pump problem and
| had not considered that I had both pumps on this car but will now look. I
| had heard about the relay problem on the Urqs and will therefore pose the
| question there as well - after searching the archives.
|
| Thanks.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Miller, Chris" <chris.miller at infofoundry.com>
| To: "c cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>; "es2" <es2 at audifans.com>
| Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:34 PM
| Subject: RE: [Es2] Sport Quattro problem
|
|
|
| Hi Colin,
| first thought would be a fuel pump issue; I think you've got two, a
| transfer pump in the tank, and the external main pump.
| I know many of the urquattro guys change the fuel pump relay wiring to
| install a second relay back by the pump; the stock wiring activates the
| rear relay and the rear relay powers the main fuel pump. Check the
| archives on www.audifans.com and you should see some writeups; was it
| rdh? that wrote about it?
|
| The relay is relatively cheap, too.
| Chris
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: es2-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:es2-bounces at audifans.com] On
| Behalf Of c cohen
| Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:30 PM
|
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 6
| Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:59:12 EST
| From: Elijahallen92 at aol.com
| Subject: Re: [Es2] importing car from canada problems
| To: klkinc at gis.net, es2 at audifans.com
| Message-ID: <ac.67e85ae3.2ee63e40 at aol.com>
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
|
|
| Kevin,
| I wish it were that easy with a car but its not. In order to register the
| car in the US you need a copy of the form from customs stating the car
| complies with all US standards which is obtained if Audi gives a letter of
| conformity which they will not do since the car I bought never came with
an airbag and
| falls into the year that law changed. Anyway, I now know there is no way
| without spending way to much $$$$$$$ to get this car here so luckily we
have a
| house in Canada and are able to register it there. I plan to do this and
drive
| it over and just try to drive with Ontario plates as long as I can. If
this
| fails I will sell the car to someone in Canada who plans to move to the US
and
| would sell it back to me if they are able to take it with them. Hope this
| all works,
|
| Elijah
|
| In a message dated 12/6/2004 4:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
| klkinc at gis.net writes:
|
| Hi;
| I don't think getting the car into the US is the real problem.
| The problem is getting it registered and titled!
| I am not sure what the laws are in your state, I live in Mass(which is
| pretty strict when it comes to titles)
| I brought a Canadian Spec Motorcycle in (Suzuki RG500 2 stroke) and had
no
| problem getting it Registered and a title for it.
| Now things might be different for bikes, but they both have to conform to
| DOT Standards, I know bikes do not have EPA(Emissions)requirements(Yet!)
but
| considering that I brought a 2 stroke Streetbike in, a model that was
never
| allowed in the US (because of Emissions) has to say something.
| The Loophole that I found and used was this.
| It was no problem as long as the car(bike) was registered in Canada.
| In Canada they don't have titles (or they didn't then) all they have is a
| type of registration and all that I need to get a title in Mass was a
copy
| of the bill of Sale and the Sellers Canadian Registration.
| Well i submitted the 2 with an application for a title and in 3 weeks I
had
| it , and never had any type of problem(I even sold it to a guy in CA and
he
| had no problems).
| So My advice is go to your Registry and ask them How would I register a
car
| I bought in Canada, what do I need? I think that as long as the car was
| available here in the US and you don't say how and what do I have to do
to
| convert it, who knows you might get lucky.
| I Imported a few Euro Fords back in the "Grey Market days" when it was
| rather easy to get cars in, but with the current laws, if you have to Get
| EPA and DOT releases you might as well forget it.
| Its somewhat possible but not very cost effective.
| Good Luck and keep us posted
| Cheers from Boston
| Kevin
|
|
|
|
|
|
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