quattro fatal accident

[Mark Switek]

It is my experience that the car should be set up to preferred specs and
not "get it in the green" if you want good tire life and proper
directional control. If your doing a 57 chevy that is a very loose
suspension a green is probably ok but with the tighter suspensions the
adjustments need to be a lot more accurate and compensated to other
readings of the car to create a top quality alignment.
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:no plugs-Thanks for no flames (JanDebL at aol.com)
   2. Re:200 boost (Gerard)
   3. Re:Fwd: RE: NAC Presidents was/ Re: Longer Lug Bolts? (Ameer Antar)
   4. Re:Lister ROBBED. Let's help. (The Quattro King)
   5. fuel distribution questions-(MC-1+2) (james accordino)
   6. Re:19" wheels on a Golf 2 (james accordino)
   7. Synthetic  gear oils (james accordino)
   8. Re:100 Rear wash/wipe (Michael Dewar - Sun Scotland)
   9. RE:Ur-Quattro Repair manual (to clear this up sort of) :)
(isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk)
  10. RE:quattro fatal accident
(isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk)
  11. Re:changing lifters... (isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk)
  12. RE:quattro fatal accident
(isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk)
  13. lifter rotation (isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk)
  14. Re:revocation of independence [nac]
(isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk)
  15. RE:OT- Anyone here travel to Holland? (Beatty, Robert)
  16. Re:Fw: HELPPPPPP!!!! TORN BALL JOINT BOOT...... (Tspitfire at aol.com)
  17. RE:200 boost (Beatty, Robert)
  18. Re:Fwd: Re: Audi transmission (Per Lindgren)

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Message: 1
From: JanDebL at aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:52:08 EST
Subject: Re: no plugs-Thanks for no flames
To: agaidos at got.net, quattro at audifans.com, audi20v at rennlist.org

Not a problem.  After she wins we all expect passes to the set.
Jan Lahtonen

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:18:10 +0200
From: Gerard <gerard at poboxes.com>
To: Calvin Krug <ckrug at laf.cioe.com>
CC: Quattro list <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: 200 boost

Is 1.2 bar the reading you see on the digital boost gauge on the
instrument cluster and is it the max that shows? The 1.2 bar is absolute
manifold pressure. If the car feels slack then go look at Scott Mockry's
website for vacuum and air pressure leaks. http://www.sjmautotechnik.com
is the address. There are a few air lines in the engine bay that need
looking at, but don't forgot the tiny little one sitting between the
injector fuel lines on the inlet manifold. A friend had a boost problem
and all the hoses seemed fine, until he found that one sitting there. On
my car it had a loose clamp, on his the hose was burst.

I think the reading should usually be 1.4 - 1.6 bar from the digital
gauge on these cars.

G.

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:18:46 -0500
To: cobram at juno.com
From: Ameer Antar <ameer at snet.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: NAC Presidents was/ Re: Longer Lug Bolts?
Cc: quattro at audifans.com

Well the Federalists were only one side of the coin. In fact Federalist
papers were hotly contested in their times. Federalists believed in a
strong central government and wanted a strict interpretation of the
Constitution, but others felt the states needed to have more powers.  The
constitution itself is really just a compromise between these two
sides...state vs. federal. Before the United States, there was a
Confederation. Many states had their own currency and the government had
little control over interstate commerce [ie. the power to tax this
commerce], which led to a weak central government and a impoverished one at
that. The US Constitution fixed all that, but it's pretty pointless in that
regard today. Not many states want out of the Union, although you never
know about South Carolina...

The electoral college was a fall-back feature, in case the public elections
had problems. But the main reason was to emphasize the power of the states
by having officials from each state actually reporting the votes.
Regardless, I believe it's a silly system for these times, b/c the popular
vote doesn't necessarily get carried out. But the only time this is an
issue is in a very tight race, which is rare, and it would be a waste of
time to change it.

Actually it is historically correct that many of the people involved in
government were slave-owning white men. Many were not slave owners, but all
were white men. That's just the way it was!! Why should we expect anything
different? That was just the last bit of tribal nature [culture] Americans
had in them. Women were not thought fit to be in government, w/ there
cycles and all. I don't think we should deny our past, in fact we lose by
forgetting how it was. I don't think we should see it as something wrong,
but part of us and part of an ongoing development of human society. Some
liberals [and conservatives] may think they've figured out how the world
should be, but who's to say a 100 yrs from now that those ideals wouldn't
be called questionable. Everything is a matter of perspective, and to think
we have it all figured out is ludicrous. For every circumstance there may
be a better solution.

Sometimes we forget about our own historical past and pass judgement on
other societies. Today many 'backwards' societies still believe women are
not on the same level as men. These societies aren't backwards, it's just
how hundred's of cultures have interpreted the 'mystery' of women in their
own time period. Just b/c the West [or 'modern thought'] sees differently
doesn't mean everyone else should live to its standards. That's their
culture and to force them to give it up will only cause a backlash and
resentment of the West, a feeling common in non-Western societies. Let 'em
figure it out on their own, you don't just snatch something away from
someone b/c you feel it's not right ANYMORE...

Culture is simply based on faith, not religion, but faith in a country, a
way of doing something, a myth, or whatever. Basically I think culture is
based on something that is not scientifically there. It's a belief that
black cats are bad omens or that a person must be cremated. This is all
culture and it's all a belief that could scientifically be ruled out. We
see a lack of culture here in the US b/c we have so many different
backgrounds and do not feel united w/ everyone living around us. In other
countries, people can usually feel united w/ their countrymen, b/c they
have so much in common. We also see less culture here b/c we are very
advanced technologically and we've already disproven many elements of our
culture, there is much less superstition. Go to some other countries and
you'll find rich to poor people all w/ quite a bit of superstition. These
are all the inevitable things...it's just what happens when there are so
many of us on this planet and when we become so knowledgeable about the
world's mysteries...It's not bad, it's just the way things are. When you
eat the fruit of knowledge, there's no turning back....

WOW, rant done....just my opinions here.

-ameer

At 04:19 PM 11/15/2000 , you wrote:
>"Chris Dyer" <chrisdyer at hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Actually our forefathers wanted white, slave & land owning males in
> > office,
> > and didn't think the masses should be allowed to vote (hence, the
> > electoral
> > college.)  But that's another story.
>
>So this is the product of a liberal education.  You've been
>indoctrinated, get your little red book before you leave.  Find out for
>yourself what they wanted, read the Federalist papers, and the other
>documents readily available, no interpretation necessary, they spelled it
>all out.  Yeah, it's right there in the first lines of the Constitution
>"We the land owning gentry in order to enslave a subservient population",
>oh wait, that's the PC version.
>
>BCNU,
>Cobram at Juno.Com
>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/1469/
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:06:10 -0800
Subject: Re: Lister ROBBED. Let's help.
From: The Quattro King <quattroking at hotmail.com>
To: c a l i b a n <caliban at sharon.net>, quattro <quattro at audifans.com>

Funny thing, Todd got renters today.  Does not help for yesterday but he
learned.

Shayne P.

1972 MB 280 SEL
1984 4ksq
1987 4ks
1991 v8q5
1991 200q Sedan
1992 S4

Parting:  1972 Mercedes Benz 280 SE 4.5

> From: c a l i b a n <caliban at sharon.net>
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:58:01 -0800 (PST)
> To: quattro <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: Lister ROBBED. Let's help.
>
>
> since 1995, i've been robbed to the tune of about $10k.
> after the first of three indicents, i got renter's
> insurance.  it still sucked those next two times,
> but it sure diddn't cost as much as it could have, and
> the savings is worth 20+ years of the cost of my policy.
>
> anyway, insure yourselves, kids!
>
> --
> rocky mullin - chaotic good
> http://caliban.sf.ca.us/
> two strokes are faster than four!
> this message was composed using the vi editor.
>
>
>

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:04:31 -0800 (PST)
From: james accordino <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
Subject: fuel distribution questions-(MC-1+2)
To: audi list <quattro at audifans.com>

During the process of replacing the fuel lines with
rusted ends, I noticed a difference between early and
later MC engines in the area of the fuel distributor.
The later ones added an external pressure regulator in
the line between the frequency valve and the pressure
damper.  Where was the pressure regulator previously?
In the metering head?  Were there any other
significant changes to fuel distribution?  Is the
total amount of fuel flow available about the same?
Could I use the MC-1 fuel distribution parts on my
MC-2, at least temporarily?  It appears that if I swap
the metering head, pressure damper, frequency valve,
and their related hoses and mounts as a unit, I should
be able to retain all functionality.  Anyone have any
comments.  I already have clean, rustfree components
from an MC-1 that are in know working order.

Thanks for the input
Jim Accordino

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:36:34 -0800 (PST)
From: james accordino <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 19" wheels on a Golf 2
To: Chris Dyer <chrisdyer at hotmail.com>
Cc: audi list <quattro at audifans.com>

--- Chris Dyer <chrisdyer at hotmail.com> wrote:
> his original, unmodified 0-60 time: 8.5 sec.
> now with g60 engine & 19" wheels: 12.3 sec.
>
> (just kidding)
>
>
> >From: Per Lindgren <lindgre at online.no>
> >To: diesel <Audi-VW-Diesels at onelist.com>, quattro
> <quattro at audifans.com>
> >Subject: 19" wheels on a Golf 2
> >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:31:16 +0100
> >
> >Amazing.... 215/35R19 on a Golf 2..... WOW!
> >
Amazing is right!  It would be amazing if you could
get out of your driveway here with ANY vehicle
modified like that around here.  Everything below the
impact strips would be beaten to a pulp.  The Rally of
the Acropolis has nothing on the roads around here.

Jim Accordino

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:52:09 -0800 (PST)
From: james accordino <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
Subject: Synthetic  gear oils
To: audi list <quattro at audifans.com>

Is anyone running an over-the-counter synthetic gear
oil in their tranny or diff?  I'm talking about Mobil,
Valvoline, etc. that I can buy at any Autozone or
what.  I know about Redline, but nobody here stocks
it, and it is kind of expensive, heck Mobil syn. is
expensive.  I already used their oil and grease, and
like both of them very much.  Please don't tell me
about any other exotic gear oils that I can't just go
and buy.  They all say that they now have formulated
it so it does not damage brass, copper or bronze
parts.

Thanks for your input
Jim Accordino

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:53:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: Michael Dewar - Sun Scotland <Mike.Dewar at uk.sun.com>
Reply-To: Michael Dewar - Sun Scotland <Mike.Dewar at uk.sun.com>
Subject: Re: 100 Rear wash/wipe
To: quattro at audifans.com, rob3 at hod3.fsnet.co.uk

It could be something in your 100 which is damaging relays. I had a
similar problem in my S2 coupe where the relay failed. I opened up the
relay and found a broken track. After soldering a repair it has worked
fine since.

Cheers,
Mike

>
>
>     Just wondered if anyone could cast some light on the following
problem;
>
>     I have an '88 100 avant 2.0E. The rear wash and wipe don't work.
>
>     First I checked the wiper motor works. It does, both on the main
supply
> and on the 'park' supply.
>
>     Then I checked the wiring through to the multiway connector near the
> n/side rear light cluster. All OK.
>
>     Then things got interesting. I decided to try substituting the relay
> from my 87 coupe's rear wash/wipe.
>     Still I had no luck. So as a double check on the relays I put the one
> from the 100 in the coupe. The wiper got half way through its cycle and
then
> stopped. I substituted the original relay and it still doesn't work. The
> washer does still work.
>
>     I wondered if the relay from the 100 has gone wrong in some bizarre
way
> that causes it to wreck something else in the
>     system, - it certainly seems to have stopped the coupe's wiper.
>
>     Any thoughts ? (By the way I have checked the fuses)
>
>     Cheers
>
>
>         rob Hod
>

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Message: 9
To: <BeattyR at ummhc.org>, <quattro at audifans.com>
From: <isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:48:12+0000
Subject: RE: Ur-Quattro Repair manual (to clear this up sort of) :)
From: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk
Reply-to: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk

> I have the books right here and the titles are...

> Introductory Service Training Information  -  Maintenance and Adjustments

> Preliminary Repair Information  -  Quattro

> Nice looking books, surprizingly thin.  I have to add im NOT selling these
> (they are Dad's not mine), i was just trying to establish their value.  If
> they are very hard to get, I will have copies made for people.

They're interesting, but not completely relevant even to the earliest
of the production vehicles.  By the time the 20V was in production,
you'd have a hard time recognising it as the same car.

--
 Phil Payne
 http://www.isham-research.freeserve.co.uk/quattro
 Phone +44 7785 302803   Fax: +44 7785 309674

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Message: 10
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
From: <isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:48:16+0000
Subject: RE: quattro fatal accident
From: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk
Reply-to: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk

> Dad did my  alignment at the dealership he works at and as long as the
shop
> you are taking it to has the computerized alignment rack, all the stats
are
> built in with the correct tolerances.  The tech just looks at the screen
and
> it goes green when you are in tolerance.

This is _EXACTLY_ how it shouldn't be done.

--
 Phil Payne
 http://www.isham-research.freeserve.co.uk/quattro
 Phone +44 7785 302803   Fax: +44 7785 309674

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Message: 11
To: <de at aztek-eng.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
From: <isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:48:29+0000
Subject: Re: changing lifters...
From: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk
Reply-to: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk

> By the way, I had the pleasure of walking around in the town
> of York for a couple days last month. An absolutely lovely old
> walled English city but I've never been so wet. Constant rain.

York appears lovely, but has a very nasty history.  Just as the British
invented concentration camps (during the Boer war) we also invented
holocausts.

--
 Phil Payne
 http://www.isham-research.freeserve.co.uk/quattro
 Phone +44 7785 302803   Fax: +44 7785 309674

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Message: 12
To: <Paul.meyers at citrix.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
From: <isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:48:43+0000
Subject: RE: quattro fatal accident
From: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk
Reply-to: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk

> So, for the uninitiated, what is relaxing the suspension?

Basically rolling the car to and fro on the test rig so everything is
as it would be on the road.

--
 Phil Payne
 UK Audi quattro Owners Club
 http://www.isham-research.freeserve.co.uk/quattro
 Phone +44 7785 302803   Fax: +44 7785 309674

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Message: 13
To: <ggthack at swansea.ac.uk>, <quattro at audifans.com>
From: <isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:48:38+0000
Subject: lifter rotation
From: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk
Reply-to: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk

> On an old engine are the routes into the lifters for oil likely to become
> slightly less free than new ones making oil pressure more of an issue?
Now, how
> do you diy baffle a sump?

Yes.  A double flush (get a 5 litre can from a motor factor) and a prod
with some strimmer (weed whacker, in the US) 'wire' is a good idea.

> The other thing I notice is a trip to the redline with lowish (on my car,
below
> half on the dipstick) oil level causes the lifters to get lively for a
minute
> or so though it waits 5-10 seconds before doing this... the effect is
worse
> with low oil than when it's filled up to the 'max' mark.

Yup.  Keep it just below 'Max'.

> Good job somebody is now foolish enough to pay me a monthly wage, where do
you
> get lifters for 9 dollars then? URO charges a lot less than VAG but not as
> little as 9 usd each, 100gbp (16 usd each) for a set for the KV engine I
think.

Try the Engine Parts Network in Keighley.

--
 Phil Payne
 UK Audi quattro Owners Club
 http://www.isham-research.freeserve.co.uk/quattro
 Phone +44 7785 302803   Fax: +44 7785 309674

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Message: 14
To: <steveaddy at mindspring.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
From: <isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:48:48+0000
Subject: Re: revocation of independence [nac]
From: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk
Reply-to: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk

> Bring on the Motorways and trains but you can leave the royal family in
> England along with their bad plumbing and bland food.

The Royal Family is, of course, German.  It's just that we haven't
found a way to repatriate the sods yet.  Some of us are working on it.

--
 Phil Payne
 UK Audi quattro Owners Club
 http://www.isham-research.freeserve.co.uk/quattro
 Phone +44 7785 302803   Fax: +44 7785 309674

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Message: 15
From: "Beatty, Robert" <BeattyR at ummhc.org>
To: "'Chris Dyer'" <chrisdyer at hotmail.com>, VWAudiPorscheNut at aol.com
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: RE: OT- Anyone here travel to Holland?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:06:28 -0500

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Dyer [SMTP:chrisdyer at hotmail.com]
> So what's your question?
>
> Potential answers: No, I won't buy you a ticket. I recommend Mammoth
> Lakes,
> CA. Don't drink the water. You can drive as fast as you want, all the
> time,
> anywhere. Americans love the Dutch, but not very much.  We even have
> McDonalds here!  Wisconsin should be avoided. L.A. even more so.
>
> Just kidding of course--what do you want to know?
>
>
> >From: VWAudiPorscheNut at aol.com
> >Hi! I want to take a vacation to Holland from SoCal, for a week in
> >February.
>
>
Chris... if you notice he said he wants to go TO Holland... If hes from
SoCal im sure he knows to avoid LA :)

Rob

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Message: 16
From: Tspitfire at aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:04:55 EST
Subject: Re: Fw: HELPPPPPP!!!! TORN BALL JOINT BOOT......
To: tpsidders1 at netzero.net
CC: quattro at audifans.com

In a message dated 11/16/00 2:46:24 AM GMT Standard Time,
tpsidders1 at netzero.net writes:

<< --- Original Message -----
 From: Tim Sidders
 To: 20vQuattrolist
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 5:36 PM
 Subject: HELPPPPPP!!!! TORN BALL JOINT BOOT......


 Hi all!
 I'm in the middle of putting my new H&R's and KONI's on my car, inthe
process of removing the strut assemby I tore the ball joint boot( 2mos old .
Does anyone make just the boot kit???I woulld hate to have to buy a new ball
joint and go through all the hassle if all I need is the boot. Thanks for
the
help!!!



                               Tim

  >>
Tim,
 Go to this web site- www.mecatech.com  I have used their cv boots and they
are excellent.
Regards

Dave Griffiths (Scotland)
84 Ur Quattro
89 100 Quattro
74 Triumph Spitfire MKIV

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Message: 17
From: "Beatty, Robert" <BeattyR at ummhc.org>
To: "'cobram at juno.com'" <cobram at juno.com>, ckrug at laf.cioe.com
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: RE: 200 boost
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:13:30 -0500

Dont forget the 1st 14.7 lbs of your 17.4 is ambient air pressure at sea
level so in effect he has 2.9 lbs of boost... which isnt much.. :)

Rob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cobram at juno.com [SMTP:cobram at juno.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:22 AM
> To:   ckrug at laf.cioe.com
> Cc:   quattro at audifans.com
> Subject:      Re: 200 boost
>
> Not quite.  "Bar" is used as a measurement here, like PSI, Inche, miles
> etc.  It doesn't mean that anything measured is due to "ambient"
> pressure, and yes how the scale is derived.  One bar is the air pressure
> at sea level, and the gauge/readout is calibrated at O bar.  So when your
> readout says 1.2, it's indicating 17.4lbs, not 2.9 lbs which your
> scenario indicates.
>
> BCNU,
> Cobram at Juno.Com
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/1469/
>
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:34:46 -0500 Calvin Krug <ckrug at laf.cioe.com>
> writes:
> > What is the maximum (stock) boost on an '89 200Q?  Mine puts out 1.2
> > bar, which isn't all that much. considering that 1.0 of that is
> > ambient.  Just curious.  Oh, and if it's supposed to be more than
> > that, what could cause the boost to be low?
> >
> > Calvin Krug
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:32:52 +0100
From: Per Lindgren <lindgre at online.no>
To: Brendan/Coolian <coolian at mediaone.net>,
        Quattro List <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Audi transmission

The AAU is a Passat/Quantum Syncro tranny, according to my ETKA. It was
used from 1/85-7/85 in the Passat and 1/85-7/88 in the Quantum

PerL
92 Cab 2.3

Brendan/Coolian wrote:

> Anybody have a clue as to what this is?
> This is for a transmission I wouldn't mind investigating....
>
> >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:17:59 -0800 (PST)
> >From: some guy
> >Subject: Re: Audi transmission
> >To:
> >
> >Thanks for the interest! The # stamped on the
> >bellhousing is AAU1605BX. A local dealer told me it
> >fit 84-88 4000/5000 Quattro and Turbo Quattro. Please
> >check #, so you'll know for sure.
> >My email addresses are: spondydr at netzero.net
> >                         drpbarnes at yahoo.com
> >If you want pictures, I'll send them. Thanks again,
> >Pete Barnes.
> >
> >__________________________________________________
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> >Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays!
> >http://calendar.yahoo.com/

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