It's official, a 2.3 4000 quattro is amazing....

[JShadzi at aol.com]

<< ... especially since Brendan's car actually moves ... ;-)  >>

Ohh, I love a good challenge...don't worry, I have been smiling too 
fabricating cool parts for my car, and will continue to do so when it is up 
and running  =)
 
 
 <<The fact of the matter is an MC engine doesn't just drop into a 4kQ, and 
I'd
 love to see the accounting of the hours spent in custom fabrication and
 sorting that has gone into the 80TQ to get it where it is today.>>

Granted, I don't blatantly recommned anyone do what I have done, especially 
someone like Brendan who simply wanted more power with the most reasonable 
amount of investment.  For me, building my car is an adventure, a learning 
experience, it will never be done.  MY car should not be used as a measure 
for an "efficient conversion", I have never been attempting one!

For the record, however, the initial conversion consisted of about 3 months 
of planning and gathering parts, and 6 consecutive 8 hr days.  The car was 
out of comission for less that one week.

 << I remember someone on this list getting rebuffed for using their car as a 
stoplight
 racer ... well, what's the reason everyone goes through all the trouble to
 drop chipped turbos into 4kQs then?  It certainly isn't for the improved
 fuel economy.  If someone wants a bit more tractable power that is actually
 useful in most day to day driving situations, I would argue that the NF
 conversion might well better fill those requirements ...>>

Sure, it really depends on what one is looking for, but to say that is it 
"more powerful" than a good MC motor running mild boost is a lofty assertion 
at best.  I have raced a lot of 4kq and 80/90 Q from a stoplight, by 60 I was 
likely 8-10 car lenths ahead of them, its just not a realistic comparison.  
When a 4kq with an NF motor is turning laps at ThunderHill with Boxster S's, 
then I will believe it.  Not trying to "brag" per se, but attempting a 
baseline comparison  =)

This summer I will help my little bro put an NG bottom end in his 4kq, it is 
a great upgrade.  I commend those who want to go for a sensible upgrade, just 
don't expect it to be a replacement for a turbo conversion powerwise, that's 
all.

Javad