painting a 4000 ( turbo conversion )

[rrotax]

--On Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:25 AM -0400 "Doyt W. Echelberger" 
<Doyt at nwonline.net> wrote:

> Hello Bob.   I'm gonna try to discourage you from starting with an old
> 4kq shell, even if it does include 2 parts cars. And painting it is one
> of the last things you will need to consider.

You arent going to discourage me, I am set on doing this conversion. It is 
not a matter of IF, but WHEN. I have been planing and gathering info for 
the past two years. I know you cant plan enought for a project like this. I 
know the time and money involved, but a 4000cs 20v turbo quattro would be 
one bada#% mechine.
>
> If I were doing this, I'd start by acquiring an engine when I had the
> cash in the bank and an assured space to work in, like a warm dry well
> lighted garage. And lots of free time, plus my work and my family factors
> all in place. Then, I'd get a chassis, after the engine was ready.1

I have plenty of space to work in at my parents house, plus would like to 
take on this project with my father. make it a father son thing. Not 
married, but am in a serious relationship, so family factors dont really 
play a role. girlfriend is not against the long project, she know it will 
make me happy and I would most likely do it without her support. she may 
even be able to help a little. Trying to ger her interested in audis. 
convinced her to but an 87 5000 turbo quattro as her daily driver, and she 
now loves it.

> Keeping three cars on ice for as long as a year, when so many factors are
> changing in the way of school and jobs is asking for problems. And lots
> of old 4kq's are going to be available when you are ready to make it
> happen.

I understand the availabilty of the 4kq's but always keep an eye out when 
driving. Like to stop when I see one for sale, also fun to talk to fellow 
audi owmers.
>
> I'd start looking for an engine first, about the time I had at least
> $5,000 in extra cash sitting around and my work space was ready and my
> plans had some flesh on them. This is based on your decision to go with a
> 20 valve. Doing a 10 valve requires less up-front cash.

Right now there is one for sale in the audifans marketplace under parts for 
$4500 and am deep into the planing.  Idealy I'd like to find a wrecked 
200/s4/s6    91-96 3b.

> And I'd consider using a 10 valve turbo engine, because of availability
> and cost. A 20valve will be hard to find and very expensive......very
> very expensive.

Will not opt for the 10v  dont want to be like everyone else. a 20v will 
turn up sooner or later in my price range.



>
> OK, a 20 valve engine will be like gold in a bank, once you own it.
> Getting a chassis is the easy part.

I agree. keeping my eye out for the right chassis.  must be 86-87 cs

>You are going to want bigger brakes,

Of coure, with that much power you need to up grade the brakes for the the 
safty of the car, yourself and others. I will most likely be going with a 
porsche kit.

>and a new radiator, and a custom exhaust system.

yup, would go with 2Bs 3" for turo converted cars. They have a down pipe 
which would eleminate the
bending in of the passenger side floor pan for the 4k or 5k down pipe. I 
believe a urq will bolt up, but ends 2 inches futher to the rear. but the 
cat is 2 inches shorter. 2B also has an aluminum heavy duth radiator.

>And you will want to upgrade the suspension while you have it apart.

Been comparing three brands, Bilstein, H&R and Elbach. Decided on the 
Bildteins.
   Then, you will want to

> This stuff all costs time and money, and
>It is eventually going to take lots of cash to make sure
> this hobby event goes smoothly. Otherwise you end up with a dangerously
> fast and powerful piece of junk that won't handle what the power plant
> can do. It has to be reliable and it has to run and stop real good.

I understand the time and money involved that I why I am not in any rush. 
Will shop around and find the best deals possiable. I not going to try to 
pull this off in under 6 months like some other have done. This will be my 
ongoing project for how ever long it takes to complete. I expect 3-5 years. 
Will be my hobbie. Will do as much of the work as possiably my self so 
there wont be alot of labor fees.  A 20v conversion my sound like alot of 
money up front, but spread out over several years its not that bad. And I 
know I can do it cause I have a love for the cars (audis).
>
> And what are you gonna drive during the year that it takes you to make
> this all happen?
 I have a very reliable 1990 100s auto with 133k on it. It has been my 
daily driver for two years. Will continue to drive this during my project. 
The project car will not be driven at all.

> The resulting car isn't going to be air conditioned
> you may not want to use it as a daily driver.

It is possiable to keep the AC put requites custom work. I hear it is 
easier to keep the AC on a 20v conversion. Dont know If I will keep it or 
not? This car will not ever be my daily driver, It will mostly be my summer 
car. Would also like to start attending audi events/shows and want to get 
it on the track
>
> Think about it. And get your plans in place in considerable detail, by
> reviewing what others have done when they traveled that path. Painting it
> will be the last thing you need to do.

 I am well into the planing and will continue gathering info.
Would appreaciate and help the list can offer like links, things to watch 
out for, BTDTs, instructions/steps/recipie, people that have comlpeted the 
conversion, ect...
Would love to have some of the listers in the North East to help. I would 
plan some BBQ weekends ang get a bunch of audi lovers together. Would love 
to meet some of you guys, share stories, pick your brains, and learn more 
audi stuff



Thanks for and help you can contribute.
Bob Rotax
rrotax at vtc.vsc.edu
Vermont
>  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> At 07:07 PM 4/9/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>>         Does anyone know how much it costs to paint a 4000. Any BTDTs?
>>         I  ask because there is an 87 4000csq I saw on the side of the
>> road  sunday,  on my way back to college.  I stopped and looked at it,
>> has some  surface rust but is pretty solid. I am thinking that it would
>> be perfect  for a turbo conversion. It is black and I would have it
>> repainted  black.  If  I end up buying this car I will soon be asking
>> the list for  info. on turbo conversion. I was waiting until I get out
>> of school and  got a real job to start this project, but the car looks
>> like a good deal  and comes with 2 parts cars. asking price is $1150,
>> but I am sure I can  talk it down a little. When I do have the funds for
>> this project I will  deffentally go with the 20 valve.
>> Thanks for the help
>> Bob Rotax
>>