Brake pads

[Brian O'Neill]

we had the pagid orange, wich also said r4s on the
box, i guess that was compound ?? they faded really
bad in the a4, the hawks took care of the fade but
they ate rotors for lunch. og was out of the pf 90's
that i normally use in the porsche so i tryed the
83's. they workes very nice also, not that i could say
any better or worse than the 90's but i liked them. i
think maybe one company makes all the pads, puts em'
in tifferent boxes and makes us try to compare them
!!!!!
                                       brian o'
--- "Kaklikian, Gary" <Gary.Kaklikian at COMPAQ.com>
wrote:
> I didn't realize the Hawk HPS and the Porterfield
> R4S are the same pad. I've
> also heard that the Weston Cool Carbons are the same
> as the R4S.
> The R4S is my favorite street pad; they dust a bit
> (black, not white),
> squeal occasionally under light use (non-slotted
> rotors), but they will stop
> a S4 with G60's on it as well as can be expected. I
> plan to use them with
> the Boxster calipers on my other car, which sees a
> fair amount of track
> time.
> 
> If you want a totally decent totally dustless ,
> squeal-less street pad, the
> Axxis Metalmasters are ok. I used them with the ATE
> grooved rotors on my
> ex-5000tq.
> 
> For race pads, the Performance Friction 90 is easier
> to modulate and gentler
> on rotors than any of the Hawk race pads I've tried.
> The Pagid Orange work
> great on the track, but are hard on rotors and
> generate a lot of heat, which
> the G60's don't dissipate very well.  Of course,
> race pads are too noisy and
> dusty for street use and not very effective until
> they reach optimal
> operating temps.
> 
> Gary Kaklikian
> 86 4ktq
> 92 S4
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Phenneger [mailto:tquattroguy at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 2:49 PM
> To: Brian O'Neill; Joshua Van Tol; quattro list
> Subject: Re: Brake pads
> 
> 
> Bull S*#t,
>   There are plenty of good pads that dont dust a
> lot.  For your
> info.  I have Pagid street Pads, they are decent. 
> For the Track
> I'll take Pagid Oranges.  But for a car that sees
> both, the Hawk
> HPS are Great.  The dust is NOT hard to clean,
> easier than the
> Pagid dust.  Its a whitish dust from the carbon pads
> so it
> doesnt look bad as fast.  And the pads are MUCH
> better.  
>   Drilled rotors will howl as the air vents but with
> HPS pads
> and slotted rotors I get no squeel.  Best you do
> some more
> research Brian.  No offense, but if you havent
> driven the Hawk
> Street pads you cant really offer a judgement on
> them can you.  
>   Also, Hawk and Porterfield are basically the same
> pads.  Just
> different names.  The the Hawk HPS and Porterfield
> R4-s are the
> same for anyone that cares. I love mine, better than
> my Pagids.
> Very similar to the Perf Friction Z-rated as far I
> can tell.
> l8r
>   Todd
> 
> --- Brian O'Neill <briano_72 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > you'll need a chisel to remove the hawk dust, or a
> > sandblaster-on their race pads, ive never used
> their
> > street pads, and never seen them,  pagid+jurid are
> > like factory replacement, pf's are very good,
> mintex
> > is a waste of breath, and grooved or drilled
> rotors
> > will squeel like a stuck pig. no squeek, livable
> dust,
> > id go with brembo stock replacement and pagid
> pads. if
> > your brake pads dont show dust they are not good
> > enough. 
> >                                         brian o'
> > --- Joshua Van Tol <josh at spiny.com> wrote:
> > > I'm going to be replacing pads and rotors on my
> 87
> > > 5kcstq soon, and 
> > > I'm wondering if anyone has recommendations. I
> do
> > > mostly highway 
> > > driving, but like to use the brakes to their
> fullest
> > > extent from time 
> > > to time. I don't want brake squeal, but I can
> > > tolerate some dust 
> > > provided it washes off easily. I've heard good
> > > things about Hawk hps, 
> > > pagid (dunnon type), performance friction, and
> > > mintex red box. I'll 
> > > most likely be using the ATE atom grooved
> rotors,
> > > unless anyone has a 
> > > good reason why they're no good.
> > > -- 
> > > Joshua Van Tol -- josh at spiny.com
> > 
> > 
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