Upgrading the old 74 fox

[Jesse+ Clendenning]

I have a wrecked '85 4000 1.8 which would be perfect. I live in NY and the
motor with all electronics and injection is there for a reasonable price.
Write me privately if you are interested.
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:04:38 -0400, Swann, Benjamin R.  (BSWANN) wrote:

>  Just read this post from Ti, but basically this is what I was trying to
say:
>  
>  [The 16V VW engines (all except the Scirocco) are not a drop-in either.
>  The throttle body is on the wrong side of the intake manifold, so would
>  require some creative plumbing.  The Scirocco manifold has the throttle
>  body on the correct side, but is angled funny and will not fit the Audi
>  factory CIS air boot.  Assuming, of course, that the Audi Fox in question
>  has CIS.  If not, then there is a lot more transplanting to do. 
Moreover,
>  the battery would interfere with the 16V manifold, so the battery would
>  have to be relocated.
>  
>  I looked into all this while working on my 4000 project...
>  
>  It's best to start with a newer Audi with the 4-cylinder engine in the
>  correct (logitudinal) orientation, so that the hassles of plumbing
>  and other ancillaries do not become problems.  Audi did sell a 16V 4-cyl
>  version of the Audi 80 in Europe, but sourcing parts from that would be
>  difficult.
>  
>  -Ti]
>  
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From:	Swann, Benjamin R.  (BSWANN) 
>  > Sent:	Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:55 AM
>  > To:	'Deltahawk244th at AOL.COM'
>  > Cc:	'quattro at audifans.com'
>  > Subject:	Re: Upgrading the old 74 fox
>  > 
>  > 
>  > You will need to still obtain the manifold and CIS for longitudinal
setup,
>  > which is why I recommended going with a swap from the late model 4000. 
A
>  > transverse mounted setup will require some creative retrofitting with
the
>  > CIS boots, manifold, etc.
>  > 
>  > You probably want to look into a swap from a 4-cyl 16 valve 80/90
setup,
>  > which may be even better, performance wise, if everything is oriented
>  > properly.  I know that the late 4000 setup will install with very
little
>  > retrofitting.  If everything is obtained from the donor car - harnesses
>  > etc, even the wiring should be trivial. 
>  > 
>  > But really, your gonna be smokin tires and having a heard time keeping
>  > control with just 120HP in the '74 Fox, without getting a Quaife diff.
>  > etc.  
>  > 
>  > Were not trying to make a race car here, are we?  Just trying to
upgrade
>  > something that was originally around 70 HP right.  Keep the scope of
the
>  > project in mind - your wallet is the limit.  I am recommending low
budget
>  > easy to perform upgrade.
>  > 
>  > Ben
>  > Former project car, '81 Scirocco with '88 Jetta motor and 268Cam and
>  > Gillette exhaust=downright dangerous @120MPH&accelerating, even when
>  > lowered 1" with 15" Yoks.
>  > 
>  > [The '87-90 1.8 liter 16V in the A2 GTi, Jetta GLi and 4 cyl Passat's
use
>  > CIS, so should be a reasonable swap, 123 BHP, 124 ft-lb of torque. The
>  > 2.0 16V A2 GTi or Jetta GLi should fit, and still have adequate
cooling.
>  > 134 BHP, 131 lb-ft of torque. The turbo 1.8's probably require
>  > prohibitive amounts of fuel plumbing, electrics and the cooling systems
>  > that fit the Fox probably won't cool adequately, unless you want to try
>  > the Mecca-Evans stuff, then you'd have to deal with THAT old thread!]





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