Why not just take off the head and count the valves? At 08:30 PM 2/6/01 -0800, Ti Kan wrote: >Here is one easy way to tell whether the V6 is a 12V or a 30V. ******************************** Brendan Barry http://www.endosquid.com/audi Boston, Massachusetts 1987 Audi 4000 quattro - "Suzanne" * Red\Leather/Bitchy *