On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:48:19 -0600, CCOHEN wrote: >Was not the Caravelle the up market version, their was an earlier one around >the time of the R8 and R12? A Caravelle was to a Dauphine as a Karmann-Ghia was to a bug. The R8 came later, the R12 later still.