Dead Puppy??? NOT!
Al Powell
powellae at attbi.com
Thu Feb 14 18:21:45 EST 2002
Josh sez:
>After the next few cars I've noticed that combined with depreciation and
needed maintenance around 100k miles, it really isn't worth keeping cars past
that. I plan on selling my 97 A4 when it hits 95k miles or so. Once I turn
it over 100k, the resale value will drop by about $2000, and shortly after
that it'll need the timing belt changed again ($600) and a clutch done
($1000). As much as I enjoy the car, it's not worth it to me to have close
to another $4000 invested in it.
>I'd rather pick up another low mileage used, Audi Assured Audi instead.
That warranty has been very useful, I've claimed over $2000 in repairs!
Mostly stuff that happens to all A4's, but better Audi's nickel than mine...
I beg to differ. My auto inventory currently consists of these:
- 1993 Ford F-150 PU, bought at in 1998 at 95K miles, now 125K miles and no
significant mechanical problems since purchase. Paid for since early 2001.
- 1990 Audi 200, bought in 1993 at 39K miles, now 155K miles. Was paid for
in 3 years, no car payments since then and about $6000 paid for parts since
then so repair cost per year has averaged less than $700.
- 1983 Datsun 280ZX turbo, bought in 1990 at 49K miles, now 105 K miles. No
payments since 1993, parts costs for repairs well under $200 per year.
- 1958 Fiat 1200 Spyder Roadster, my high school graduation present in 1958,
bought with 32K miles on it and has about 43K miles now. This is the only
one with less than 100K miles! And yes, it's a resto project which should be
finished this summer.
I see no reason that anyone capable of doing their own car work should
hesitate to buy a modern, well maintained car of around 100K miles,
especially an Audi. Note that I did say "well maintained". Modern cars are
capable of 200K or more miles with dependable operation. Let's say you drive
it to 150 or 160K miles - you've paid very little to start, so your car
payments were small and brief (I don't EVER finance a car for more than 36
months), and your cost for ownership per mile is much lower than people
buying the same car new or with low mileage.
Depending on the car, there is some dependability issue, but insurance can be
carried for a rental car as needed. Just get it right and keep it right, and
you are unlikely to be stranded.
************************************
Al Powell
Fort Collins, CO
cougfan1 at gocougs.wsu.edu
************************************
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1. Re:ASAP help needed regarding coolant question (Dave Hord)
2. Re:Dead Puppy (josh Wyte)
3. Fuel tanks (tihol_tiholov at sd27.bc.ca)
4. FW: Engine mount rebuild...with hockey pucks!?! (Livolsi, Stephane)
5. Tranny swapability question (Mihnea Cotet)
6. Re:Tranny swapability question (ScottyCBoy at aol.com)
7. Re:Tranny swapability question (Mihnea Cotet)
8. Re:Tranny swapability question (Nate Stuart)
9. RE:Tranny swapability question (Chris Stann)
10. Re:Dead Puppy (Huw Powell)
11. Re:new fuel pump details (george mills)
12. Re:Tranny swapability question (ScottyCBoy at aol.com)
13. keeping your puppy alive - Re: Dead Puppy (JordanVw at aol.com)
14. IMPEX, Megaparts, etc. (Forhan, Thomas)
15. Re:IMPEX, Megaparts, etc. (Greg Galinsky)
16. gas tank size in 86 4kq? (Brady Moffatt)
17. Re:new fuel pump details (Stephen Bigelow)
18. Re:ASAP help needed regarding coolant question (Kent McLean)
19. RE:ASAP help needed regarding coolant question (Bill Rowe)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:55:23 -0500
From: Dave Hord <spokes at mail.the-wire.com>
To: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: ASAP help needed regarding coolant question
Well,
I just got back from court. I'm off the hook, they withdrew the charge.
I made quite an impression on the prosecuter with my preparation (he said
so).
I had a gallon of VW coolant, the Materials Safety Data Sheets for the
product
(okay, another brand coolant, but he never asked).
George Selby had a good point that if it truely was an emergency I would've
stopped at the nearest point of water and dealt with it, which the prosecuter
pointed out.
Fortunetly, I had proof that not only do I have a complete tripping first
aid-
kit at home, I also had a chemical spills and burn kit as well. (University
Chemistry student at the time)
Not knowing _what_ it was burning my leg, I felt it was prudent to get to the
kit, so if water didn't help or made it worse, I had other options.
Oh well, it's all water under the bridge now...
-Dave
------------------------------------------------
89 90q purrs like kitten...okay, a LOUD kitten.
http://home.the-wire.com/~spokes
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:59:44 -0800 (PST)
From: josh Wyte <josh_wyte at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dead Puppy
To: quattro at audifans.com
There definately comes a point in any cars life where
it's no longer cost effective to keep it. At that
point you have to decide whether sentimentally the car
is worth it to you to keep it.
I got completely upside down in a 91 VW GTI that I
owned. Dropped in a supercharged motor and I really
loved the car. However, after it needed 3 tows and
$1000 in repairs in 3 weeks, even I had to throw in
the towel.
After the next few cars I've noticed that combined
with depreciation and needed maintenance around 100k
miles, it really isn't worth keeping cars past that.
I plan on selling my 97 A4 when it hits 95k miles or
so. Once I turn it over 100k, the resale value will
drop by about $2000, and shortly after that it'll need
the timing belt changed again ($600) and a clutch done
($1000). As much as I enjoy the car, it's not worth
it to me to have close to another $4000 invested in
it.
I'd rather pick up another low mileage used, Audi
Assured Audi instead. That warranty has been very
useful, I've claimed over $2000 in repairs! Mostly
stuff that happens to all A4's, but better Audi's
nickel than mine...
-josh
=====
Josh Wyte
Momentum Motorsports
508-833-3024 After 5 pm EST
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Message: 3
To: quattro at audifans.com
From: tihol_tiholov at sd27.bc.ca
Subject: Fuel tanks
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:23:12 -0800
>If nobody is looking, quarter fill it with dilute acid and slosh it around
for >a few minutes.
If someone is looking you can use vinegar - it is a mild acid, too
Greetings,
Tihol
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Message: 4
From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
To: Audi Quattro List <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: FW: Engine mount rebuild...with hockey pucks!?!
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:04:42 -0600
seems like it could work. In the dark ages we (well, some of us anyway)
used to use hockey pucks for body lift kits in 4X4 trucks. They would
probably take more abuse as engine mounts, but seems like it could work. Go
for it!
Stephane
> ----------
> From: Dave Hord[SMTP:spokes at mail.the-wire.com]
> Sent: February 13, 2002 5:16 PM
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Engine mount rebuild...with hockey pucks!?!
>
> Hopefully that subject will turn someheads!
>
> Alright, car is a 1989 90quattro. Engine mounts need replacing...they're
> still
> okay for daily driving..but we rally in the first weekend of march (TSD-
> Drivex). On bigger hits the engine likes to move up and down quite a bit.
>
> I friend of mine who rallies a golf suggested I take the engine mounts
> off...remove the hydraulic part and replace with hockey pucks (drilled out
> in
> the centre to accept the bolt). I was originally going to just go with
> new
> stock ones, but...
>
> I own an audi. Something else went wrong...and now I have a good car
> again,
> with weak mounts and no $$.
>
> The question is this: Is it possible? I haven't taken off the mount
> fully
> yet, but it seems to me, from what I've undone, that the cast aluminum and
> the
> hydraulic piece are all one unit. F/A suggests this is the case as well.
>
> Anyone know for sure? Am I going to have to do a serious hack job for
> this...or will it be fairly easy to seperate the hydro-mount from teh cast
> aluminum housing??
>
> =Dave
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> 89 90q purrs like kitten...okay, a LOUD kitten.
> http://home.the-wire.com/~spokes
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:00:59 +0100
To: quattro at audifans.com
From: Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
Subject: Tranny swapability question
Hello all!
I'd like to know if it's possible to swap an 85-86 5ktq tranny in place of
a 4kq "US" code tranny ... as in July I'll be swaping a turbo engine with
EFI and lots of goodies in my car and I know for a fact that my tranny is a
particularly short ratio type, I'd like to put a 5ktq locker tranny in my
car as it has taller gears and allows for higher top speed as well as lower
RPMs at legal highway speeds (120-130 km/h), which could improve my fuel
mileage...Who has a BTDT on this one? The familiy album shows a different
type of rear diff housing so I'd like to know if this is feasible at all or
not.;
Thanks in advance,
Mihnea
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:28:25 EST
From: ScottyCBoy at aol.com
Subject: Re: Tranny swapability question
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
You'll have to do something about the rear diff. The 4kq has 4.11 gears and
the 5000tq has 3.888888888 gears. You can do it but you won't be able to lock
the center diff without destroying something.
Scott
In a message dated Thu, 14 Feb 2002 1:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mihnea
Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be> writes:
> Hello all!
>
> I'd like to know if it's possible to swap an 85-86 5ktq tranny in place of
> a 4kq "US" code tranny ... as in July I'll be swaping a turbo engine with
> EFI and lots of goodies in my car and I know for a fact that my tranny is a
> particularly short ratio type, I'd like to put a 5ktq locker tranny in my
> car as it has taller gears and allows for higher top speed as well as lower
> RPMs at legal highway speeds (120-130 km/h), which could improve my fuel
> mileage...Who has a BTDT on this one? The familiy album shows a different
> type of rear diff housing so I'd like to know if this is feasible at all or
> not.;
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mihnea
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:42:16 +0100
To: ScottyCBoy at aol.com, <quattro at audifans.com>
From: Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Tranny swapability question
At 14:28 14/02/2002 -0500, ScottyCBoy at aol.com wrote:
>You'll have to do something about the rear diff. The 4kq has 4.11 gears
>and the 5000tq has 3.888888888 gears. You can do it but you won't be able
>to lock the center diff without destroying something.
By tranny, I meant "whole transmission", with the rear diff included. I
don't mean to explode the center diff the first time I'll lock it :-)
Mihnea
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:36:32 -0500
From: Nate Stuart <newt at newtsplace.com>
To: Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: Tranny swapability question
I believe that the final drive ratio is different on the 5ktq box,
making the rear diff a different ratio too. So you would somehow have to
mix and match rear diff gears to get things to spin at the same speed.
At least that is my understanding...
HTH!
-Nate
'89 90tq
www.newtsplace.com/90tq
PS: New turbo conversion FAQ I built is now online and ready for more
content! Feel free to add whatever you like. Visit
http://www.newtsplace.com/90tq/faq.php
Mihnea Cotet wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> I'd like to know if it's possible to swap an 85-86 5ktq tranny in place of
> a 4kq "US" code tranny ... as in July I'll be swaping a turbo engine with
> EFI and lots of goodies in my car and I know for a fact that my tranny is a
> particularly short ratio type, I'd like to put a 5ktq locker tranny in my
> car as it has taller gears and allows for higher top speed as well as lower
> RPMs at legal highway speeds (120-130 km/h), which could improve my fuel
> mileage...Who has a BTDT on this one? The familiy album shows a different
> type of rear diff housing so I'd like to know if this is feasible at all or
> not.;
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mihnea
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Message: 9
Reply-To: <ChrisS at informs.com>
From: "Chris Stann" <ChrisS at informs.com>
To: <ScottyCBoy at aol.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: RE: Tranny swapability question
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:33:53 -0600
>You'll have to do something about the rear diff. The 4kq has 4.11 gears and
the 5000tq has 3.888888888 gears.
>You can do it but you won't be able to lock the center diff without
destroying something.
Wouldn't the added stress of different front and rear ratios compromise the
life of the center diff even if it's not locked? It would make sense to
swap the rear diff as well. If it can be done.
Chris,
'88 Audi 90 with 350+K miles, and rolling...
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:46:17 -0500
From: Huw Powell <audi at mediaone.net>
Reply-To: one at humanspeakers.com
Organization: HUMAN Speakers
To: josh Wyte <josh_wyte at yahoo.com>
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: Dead Puppy
> After the next few cars I've noticed that combined
> with depreciation and needed maintenance around 100k
> miles, it really isn't worth keeping cars past that.
That's funny, I made the opposite conclusion - that it isn't worth
buying them *before* that!
--
Huw Powell
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/
http://www.humanthoughts.org/
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Message: 11
From: george mills <gamills at ns.sympatico.ca>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: new fuel pump details
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:56:37 -0400
Organization: minimal
Parts from the US are essentially double in cost in Canabucks. This
includes the exchange rate, brokerage fees (includes tariff), tax and
shipping. Sourcing out parts in Canada is often less expensive, same
parts as the rest of the world. Canada has a free trade agreement with
the US, but it does not include items made outside of that country and
vice versa. On the other hand, if I were to send US dollars to a
lister in the US to maybe pick up a part for me as the price was
right, and that certain lister were to send the part on to me as a
gift with a value of say 25 bucks, and it was in a plain brown wrapped
package with no company name stuck to it, I just might save a few
bucks. Of course, this is all conjecture and I'm starting to get cabin
fever.:) I would never do such a thing myself of course.
Best regards,
Geo
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:00:25 EST
From: ScottyCBoy at aol.com
Subject: Re: Tranny swapability question
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Sorry I assumed that when you said "Whole transmission you meant the gearbo=
x and center diff not "The whole drivetrain" as the trans is seperate form =
the rear differential.
You will have to use a rear diff from an URQ as it has the same ratios as t=
he 5000QT. A 5000 QT is about a foot too long and lacks the mounting elemen=
ts to fit directly into the 4kq. You coule possibly make it fit assuming yo=
u have a torch, mig welder and a few spare cars to experiment with. If you =
someho managed to ge the 5kq diff into the car you'd have to hack a foot fr=
om the driveshaft.
Scott
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Message: 13
From: JordanVw at aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:12:46 EST
Subject: keeping your puppy alive - Re: Dead Puppy
To: josh_wyte at yahoo.com
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
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In a message dated 2/14/02 2:49:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
audi at mediaone.net writes:
> After the next few cars I've noticed that combined
> > with depreciation and needed maintenance around 100k
> > miles, it really isn't worth keeping cars past that.
>
>
the newest car i owned was a '95 passat glx (didnt own it for long, the auto
tranny started to go) but currently my newest car (and only audi) is my 86
5kT.. i have put alot of $ into this, but its great, handles like a new car,
insurance is DIRT cheap, has almost as many options as a new A4, performs
just as well as a new A4, and there is no car payments .. it just turned
125k mi, and i drove it all the way from philly to Miami and back over the
holidays without any problems at all. IMO, nothing feels like the type44T...
the way it handles is so solid.. i guess i am just biased, i have been
driving a type44T for the past 13 years... :<) what kills the older audis is
their resale value.. they have no resale value, therefore they get sold
really cheap to people who dont want to put any money into them, and they
just get driven into the ground.. thats why its hard to find an older audi in
good shape. (usually).. anyway, i dont think i will ever buy a new car
in my life.. I really like the V8's but the maintenance costs scare me off..
chris
'86 5kT, euros, A4 rims, sport int, etc at 125k and still running strong..
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Message: 14
From: "Forhan, Thomas" <Thomas.Forhan at mail.house.gov>
To: "'quattro at audifans.com'" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: IMPEX, Megaparts, etc.
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:28:30 -0500
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Seems to me there was a third company using this same software for parts
sales on line. These two are recommended, I wonder what the third (or
fourth) was, for some comparative price bids.
Getting ready to rebuild my front end...
Tom F.
1991 200q20v Avant
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Message: 15
From: "Greg Galinsky" <nokian at msn.com>
To: "Forhan, Thomas" <Thomas.Forhan at mail.house.gov>,
<quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: IMPEX, Megaparts, etc.
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:43:47 -0600
I think one of the others is Partsbin; a retail online part of Worldpac;
based in Ca
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Forhan, Thomas" <Thomas.Forhan at mail.house.gov>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: IMPEX, Megaparts, etc.
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> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
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> Seems to me there was a third company using this same software for parts
> sales on line. These two are recommended, I wonder what the third (or
> fourth) was, for some comparative price bids.
>
> Getting ready to rebuild my front end...
>
> Tom F.
> 1991 200q20v Avant
>
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Message: 16
From: "Brady Moffatt" <bradym at sympatico.ca>
To: "quattro" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: gas tank size in 86 4kq?
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:57:32 -0500
Hi all,
Just surfing through Audiworld, and noticed that they say the tank size is
18.5 US gallons, or 70 litres. My fuel gauge has a big 60 at the full line
(Canadian model), which corresponds to 15.8 US gallons.
Do I have a 60L or 70L tank? Or has the instrument cluster been changed by
the PO?
The most gas I've ever put in is 58L and the gauge was reading pretty much
empty, deep into the reserve.
Cheers,
Brady Moffatt
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
86 4ksq, 280,000km
72 Datsun 240Z, 180,000 miles
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Message: 17
Reply-To: "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelow at sprint.ca>
From: "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelow at sprint.ca>
To: "george mills" <gamills at ns.sympatico.ca>, <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: new fuel pump details
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:59:57 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: george mills <gamills at ns.sympatico.ca>
> Parts from the US are essentially double in cost in Canabucks. This
> includes the exchange rate, brokerage fees (includes tariff), tax and
> shipping. Sourcing out parts in Canada is often less expensive, same
> parts as the rest of the world. Canada has a free trade agreement with
> the US, but it does not include items made outside of that country and
> vice versa. On the other hand, if I were to send US dollars to a
> lister in the US to maybe pick up a part for me as the price was
> right, and that certain lister were to send the part on to me as a
> gift with a value of say 25 bucks, and it was in a plain brown wrapped
> package with no company name stuck to it, I just might save a few
> bucks.
And then it either is
A) the wrong part, or
B) broken, and requiring warranty service.
Bah. Buy local.
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:21:28 -0500
To: Dave Hord <spokes at mail.the-wire.com>, quattro at audifans.com
From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: ASAP help needed regarding coolant question
Dave Hord wrote:
>I just got back from court. I'm off the hook, they withdrew the charge.
>
>I made quite an impression on the prosecuter with my preparation (he said
so).
>I had a gallon of VW coolant, the Materials Safety Data Sheets for the
product
>(okay, another brand coolant, but he never asked).
Empty squeeze bottle: $1.00
Filled with 8 ounces antifreeze: $1.00
Antifreeze jug in back seat: $8.00
Beating the rap because you sprayed
your leg with antifreeze when you
were stopped for speeding: Priceless
:-)
Kent McLean,
'89 200 TQ, "Dead Puppy"
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Message: 19
Reply-To: <rowe at yankeeprinter.com>
From: "Bill Rowe" <rowe at yankeeprinter.com>
To: "'Kent McLean'" <kentmclean at mindspring.com>,
"'Dave Hord'" <spokes at mail.the-wire.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: RE: ASAP help needed regarding coolant question
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:29:48 -0500
Organization: The Yankee Printer
Ah man, I missed the orig thread. Can someone please fill me in????
-----Original Message-----
From: quattro-admin at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com] On
Behalf Of Kent McLean
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 4:21 PM
To: Dave Hord; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: ASAP help needed regarding coolant question
Dave Hord wrote:
>I just got back from court. I'm off the hook, they withdrew the charge.
>
>I made quite an impression on the prosecuter with my preparation (he
>said so). I had a gallon of VW coolant, the Materials Safety Data
>Sheets for the product (okay, another brand coolant, but he never
>asked).
Empty squeeze bottle: $1.00
Filled with 8 ounces antifreeze: $1.00
Antifreeze jug in back seat: $8.00
Beating the rap because you sprayed
your leg with antifreeze when you
were stopped for speeding: Priceless
:-)
Kent McLean,
'89 200 TQ, "Dead Puppy"
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