UPDATE - Is it the battery or the alternator that's at faul t?

[Robert Stirrat]

I expect the colder weather is a contributary factor for the electrical
gremlins to take up residence in our cars (it's warmer there).

I don't think I have a short with any of the accessories as they work when
the car is up running at 2500 to 3500 revs.  I think the blower motor is one
of the heaviest accessory loads in the car, this and the wiper/washer motor
circuits have a fuse rating of 30A.

I think you're probably right about the regulator, it can no longer maintain
the voltage of 13 volts when under high current demands, it falls to 12
volts in this condition.  The regulator will be on the back of the
alternator as in your Jetta, I think this is generally the rule for Bosch
and Lucas alternators.  The brushes and regulator will probably come
together as a single assembly to make life a little easier.  I will probably
order these and replace them anyway, as I'm sure they won't have been
replaced in the car's lifetime.  I hope to replace them with removing the
alternator.  Anyone BTDT on a 2.3 5 cylinder?

I'll keep you all posted.

Regards,
        Robert.




-----Original Message-----
From: Rave Racer [mailto:Ravewar at rogers.com]
Sent: 29 January 2002 10:56
To: Robert Stirrat; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: UPDATE - Is it the battery or the alternator that's at
fault?



    That sounds really confusing, and it seems like there's a lot of people
with Alt/Bat probs on the list now.
    It sounds like you're losing power under high load, or at low revs, but
are getting sufficient charge otherwise.  I'd start looking somewhere other
then the Alt, or Bat.  IME either there is a short in the specific load that
you are using and the fuse isn't doing it's job (not very likely), or the
voltage regulator on the Alternator may be pooched (more likely).  I don't
know where it is on Audi's.  On mine I think it's inside the Alternator
itself, but on my Jetta, it was a small plastic peice that could be swapped
with the removal of two screws... without removing the Alternator even.
    Well I hope that helps.  Some places will do an alternator test for free
if you pull it out and take it to them, but I don't know if that will test
it's strength under load.  It's not expensive to have it tested while it's
still in the car though.


       Rave Racer
'89 Jetta 1.8L 16V GTX
 http://www.vwot.org/members/Pete.html
'87 Audi 4000 Quattro Sedan
 http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewCar&carid=110
'72 Triumph GT6
 http://motorcities.com/contents/01I3H011116682.html
'83 Toyota Tercel (yoda)     Possible future Sandrail donor...  Maybe

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Stirrat <Robert_Stirrat at DMCWave.com>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:44 AM
Subject: UPDATE - Is it the battery or the alternator that's at fault?


Thankfully the winds had calmed down enough last night to work on the car
without fear of the bonnet being ripped off or worse still landing on my
head.

Anyway here's what I found.  With the accessories switched on I could power
on all the accessories such as foglights, hazard and hazard light and the
high drain heated rear window and side mirrors and windscreen wipers.  It
was only when I switched on the heater blower to a higher speed did the
power fail.

I cranked the engine and switching on all the accessories again only to meet
with the same problem.

I measured the voltage across the battery with the engine off, It read 12.2
volts which indicates a good battery as you say.  I then cranked the engine,
the battery voltage now measured 13.8 volts which also indicates the
alternator is providing a charge to the cells as suggested.

Next, I tried switching on all the accessories with the engine on and off
with using a higher current delivery by jump starting the car.  Again the
heater blower dimmed the lights or extinguished them depending on the speed
setting.
I noticed a distinct squeal from the alternator which could effectively be
silenced by the blower speed control knob.  Am I right in thinking this is
normal when the engine is idling?

I had the alternator belt changed at the end of last year.

This morning I thought I'd take my chances and take the Coupe to work.  I
cranked the engine without trouble, switched on the dips, tried the
winscreen washer only for the lights to lose power, so I switched off the
wipers to resume power.  Now driving the car, I tried the heater settings 1
to 4 whilst looking at the brightness of the dash lights - No loss of
brightness.  I then switched on the
remainder of accessories I need, including the CD player.  Again no loss of
power. The car's voltmeter was reading about 13volts as expected.

I indicated right to enter my work's carpark only for the power to go again.
Now I'm wondering if this happened because I lowered the revs of the car?
I'm thinking I may have a problem with the alternators brushes? Or Am I
barking up the wrong tree?

Should I set about dismantling the alternator next? Any ideas/thoughts would
be most welcome.

Regards,
        Robert Stirrat.