Hakka dis, hakka dat...

[Jouko Haapanen]

The Hakkapeliitta 1 is designed to work with studs, using Nokian's Eco-stud
mounting system, and for optimal grip, this is the way to go.  Incidentally,
you cannot run the older, longer, harder studs with these, as the studs will
not stay in the tires.  BTDT.  The 1 is still a good tire without the studs,
but the Q is their tire for people who don't want to run studs.

We sell 300 to 400 sets of Nokian snows through our dealership in Finland
every year, and we have never sold a set of Nokian Hakkapeliitta 1s without
studs.  If a customer wants a studless tire, it is a Q, or in some cases the
customer opts for the NRW-H's, usually because of the size of the
application, or frequent winter travel outside of Scandinavia, where they
are more likely to encounter dry roads and possibly higher sustained
travelling speeds.

To sum it up, I'd run Qs if I couldn't run studs, and 1s if studs are a
possibility.  Incidentally, the new Nokian Hakkapeliitta 2 has replaced the
1 in Finland this winter, and is available from sizes 175/70R13 to
225/45R17.  I assume the 2 will make its way to North America for next
winter.


Jouko Haapanen


-----Original Message-----
From: quattro-admin at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
Behalf Of Brett Dikeman
Sent: January 31, 2002 09:45
To: quattro at audifans.com
Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
Subject: Hakka dis, hakka dat...


Just called Sullivan tire, a local  chain, and they -finally- got
back to me about a set of Hakka Q's for the stock rims.

"Sorry, my warehouse says they don't make those in 15 inch anymore."

"EXCUSE me?  I don't think so.  No longer made, or he doesn't have stock?"

"No longer available."

(ie, not an answer to the question.)

"aalllright.  What about Hakka Ones?"

"Nope, sorry, same thing."

WTF?  Nokian didn't just drop the two major snow tire lines for one
of THE most popular wheel diameters.

So I call the Nashua store; they have 195/65/15 Hakka 1's, nothing
else, but he can find out if anybody has the Q(which is what I wanted
originally) in the stock size(215/60/15) or if he can get any of the
3 sizes I gave him.

"Huh, your Framingham store told me they don't make either 1s or qs
in the 15in anymore."

"Phhbt, they're full of it."

So, he calls me back after I asked if he could get the Q's; I really
don't want the 1, I want a studless.

"Hey, it turns out they don't make that EXACT size anymore.  They
make plenty of 15inchers."

"He made it clear, no 15 inchers."

"Yeah, he's totally wrong."

"Thought so."

He's got 'em in 195/65/15.  Pefect.

So, the last question in the back of my mind is, should I really be
going for the 1's instead of the Q? He's got the 1 in the same size,
but the total for all 4 m&b is well over $400 versus $380 m&b for the
q's.  Everyone I've talked to has the 1, not the Q.

I have a no-commitment hold on a set of 195/65/15 Q's, I don't think
he'd mind if I switched to the 1.  Gotta make a quick decision on
this one, if I'm going up to Nashua, it has to be very, very
soon(next hour or two.)

Nokian's pages about the 1 and Q are not particularly helpful in this
decision.

B
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