was :Cayenne vs Touareg now: racing
Ti Kan
ti at amb.org
Thu Dec 25 14:45:31 EST 2003
I think John was referring to the recent few years, where there were
no factory Porsche teams in any major racing events of the world,
while Audi is dominating Le Mans, with a few well known Porsche
drivers and team people.
The excuse was that the engineers were pulled to work on the Cayenne...
There are lots of Porsche cars in racing still, of course, by private
teams.
-Ti
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Cody writes:
> Skipped major racing? I'll start with the '70s. The Porsche 924GTR was a huge success at Le Mans, and 914-6GTs won the GT class a few times at Le Mans, then won tons of races. Bogger racing in that era of course was the all conquering 917K and` 917LH in Europe, then the 917-10 and 917-30 in Can Am. If your refering to the 80s when Audi went big in racing, Porsche was there too in big form. The 956/962 series just about every race in the entire 1980 decade, then the 959 of course in the Paris-Dakar rally, and 911s in various other rallies were only mildly successful thanks to the Audis winning everything :-). Trans Am was all to the Audi team, but in IMSA the 90TQs had to deal with a few remaining 935s, and of course 962s were taking the overall wins still.
>
> -Cody Forbes
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "John Larson" <j.d.larson at verizon.net>
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:54:00 -0800
>
> >The 924 engine is a derivation of the Audi 100LS (a Chevy like cast iron
> >four). The pushrods were tossed and an overhead cam head was added. The
> >pan even looks the same! The same engine was used in other VW products,
> >medium trucks, I believe. Super beetle front shocks, VW engine, a lot of VW
> >switch gear, VW brakes, Audi tranny, VW type cooling system and smog
> >equipment; 924s were a VW effort from the getgo. The 928 was Porsche's
> >design, and begat the 944/951/968 engines, which were basically half a V8
> >with balance shafts necessary on big fours. There is nothing common in the
> >2 series, including the departments designing them. 914s are a good
> >example, having a VW engine and a VW designed chassis. We might think of
> >them as "Porsches", but they're not. More than 30 years after they first
> >appeared, I still have new customers tell me their 72-79 VW Bus has a
> >Porsche engine! You have to wonder though, Porsche skipped major racing
> >while Audi made it big, and a lot of the faces on the engineering/racing
> >staffs are said to look familiar ..................... John
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