was :Cayenne vs Touareg now: racing

[John Larson]

Hey!  I'm old, and I ramble!  My interest and participation in the racing
scene goes back to the late 50s.  I've been to a lot more race tracks that
don't exist anymore than to ones that are still around...........  Sorry
about writing in a way that wasn't clear to you.  John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cody Forbes" <cody at craincorporated.com>
To: "John Larson" <j.d.larson at verizon.net>; <Cody at mail.craincorporated.com>;
<printhead at usinternet.com>; <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: was :Cayenne vs Touareg now: racing


> Well your post was talking about old cars, and I didn't catch that you
> switched from old to new, sorry for that. One sentence was about a '72
bus,
> then next about a few R8s, not a logical switch. I'll agree that in recent
> times a Porsche factory effort has been absent, though they still at least
> provide the tools in the form of the GT3 and GT2.
>
> -Cody
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Larson" <j.d.larson at verizon.net>
> To: <Cody at mail.craincorporated.com>; <printhead at usinternet.com>;
> <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: was :Cayenne vs Touareg now: racing
>
>
> > Yes.  "Skipped major racing".  Seen any recent FACTORY racing effort in
> the
> > prototype classes in the bigs?  Audi dominates there, and Porsche is
> > conspicuously absent. You're talking history that wasn't mentioned or
> > intended in my post.   John
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Cody" <Cody at mail.craincorporated.com>
> > To: <printhead at usinternet.com>; <quattro at audifans.com>; "John Larson"
> > <j.d.larson at verizon.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: was :Cayenne vs Touareg now: racing
> >
> >
> > > Skipped major racing? I'll start with the '70s. The Porsche 924GTR was
a
> > huge success at Le Mans, and 914-6GTs won the GT class a few times at Le
> > Mans, then won tons of races. Bogger racing in that era of course was
the
> > all conquering 917K and` 917LH in Europe, then the 917-10 and 917-30 in
> Can
> > Am. If your refering to the 80s when Audi went big in racing, Porsche
was
> > there too in big form. The 956/962 series just about every race in the
> > entire 1980 decade, then the 959 of course in the Paris-Dakar rally, and
> > 911s in various other rallies were only mildly successful thanks to the
> > Audis winning everything :-). Trans Am was all to the Audi team, but in
> IMSA
> > the 90TQs had to deal with a few remaining 935s, and of course 962s were
> > taking the overall wins still.
> > >
> > > -Cody Forbes
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > From: "John Larson" <j.d.larson at verizon.net>
> > > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:54:00 -0800
> > >
> > > >The 924 engine is a derivation of the Audi 100LS (a Chevy like cast
> iron
> > > >four).  The pushrods were tossed and an overhead cam head was added.
> The
> > > >pan even looks the same!  The same engine was used in other VW
> products,
> > > >medium trucks, I believe.  Super beetle front shocks, VW engine, a
lot
> of
> > VW
> > > >switch gear, VW brakes, Audi tranny, VW type cooling system and smog
> > > >equipment; 924s were a VW effort from the getgo. The 928 was
Porsche's
> > > >design, and begat the 944/951/968 engines, which were basically half
a
> V8
> > > >with balance shafts necessary on big fours.  There is nothing common
in
> > the
> > > >2 series, including the departments designing them.  914s are a good
> > > >example, having a VW engine and a VW designed chassis.  We might
think
> of
> > > >them as "Porsches", but they're not.  More than 30 years after they
> first
> > > >appeared, I still have new customers tell me their 72-79 VW Bus has a
> > > >Porsche engine!  You have to wonder though, Porsche skipped major
> racing
> > > >while Audi made it big, and a lot of the faces on the
> engineering/racing
> > > >staffs are said to look familiar .....................  John
> > > >
> > > >
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