Would you convert a rare CGT (an 87.5) to 10VT?

[JShadzi at aol.com]

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Good, informative post Pat, thanks.
Javad

In a message dated 1/17/2003 10:13:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mardkins at msn.com writes:

>
> A couple of years ago a freind and I crunched what we would have to charge
> to do a conversion.  If you do it properly it is no less than 60 hours.
> This time would include engine work and replacing things in the engine
> compartment/suspension that really should be replaced while in there.
> 60x$60 per hour (low rate IMO) =$3600.  Then you have parts.
>
> Used 5kt motor/harness/various ancillery parts       ~$900
> Rebuild parts for said motor,Poor mans rebuild      ~$400+
> The rest of the stuff like suspension bushing         ~$200
> Machine shop work                           ~$500
> Custom Fabrication work.                      ~$200
> Clutch parts
> ~$300
> Hoses
> ~$200+
> Shop supplies
> ~$200
> Various parts such as vaccuum resivoirs,guages,ect.    ~$300
> Rough total
> $3100
> Labor
> $3600
> Total
> $6700
>
> This is barring unforseen problems and with a VERY low profit margin to
> cover warranty stuff and problems.  I have seen conversions "done" in 40
> hours.  In my experience they really were not done.  Just driving.  You can
> get the motor in the car fairly quickly.  The trick is doing it so that it
> is reliable and does not have to be done again anytime soon. AC adds alot
> of
> extra time and money to the equation.  And it also makes thing EXTREMELY
> tight.
>
> This is a very rough draft of a cost sheet.  There is alot not included in
> this.  A business requires big balls to butcher a car like this.  Hats off
> to those that even try to make money at this.
>
> Go here to see my write up from 98 when I did mine. Alot has changed since
> then http://www.audi-quattro.org/tech/4ktq_pat_martin.html  but prices are
> still pretty relevant.
>
> Pat Martin
> 86 4kcsq turbo, 2 1/2 cat back, H&R-Bilstein, MC and loving it.  Drilled
> and
> stopping it. Koenig Cobra 16x7 with AVS Intermediates turning it,  K&N and
> uh....
> 98 A6q Avant
> 95 S6 Avant, Bye Bye beater
> 87 5kt stick, improved beater
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JShadzi at aol.com>
> To: "Mihnea Cotet" <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>; <duandcc_forums at cox.net>;
> <ScottyCBoy at aol.com>; <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Would you convert a rare CGT (an 87.5) to 10VT?
>
>
> Mihnea, while I agree that its not the toughest thing to do (I've done
> many,
> and can complete one in pretty good time if needed), but the thought of
> doing one for a paying customer who expects to have a perfectly running car
> with AC is another story, the 2bennett cars are done properly, while I
> agree
> that they charge a lot to do it, the fact that no one else really does them
> for any price reflects the complexity and expense with these kind of swaps.
> While you're fine with living with all the quirks and oddities of your own
> car, a paying customer won't accept anything less than a factory
> installation, BTDT.
>
> When you open up a shop and have customers lining up to have you do turbo
> swaps for 2000Euro, let me know, but realistically its not possible, its
> just not enough to compensate for the effort required to do it right.
>
> But like I said, I don't know the guy, the shop, or anything, so maybe its
> the deal of the century just waiting to happen  ;)
>
> Javad
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