NAC: Cape rental opportunity.

Wed Jul 30 01:02:26 EDT 2003

Vacancy next week. 5BR  This Thurs -next Fri.
Contact me off list please.
Thank you -Scott in BOSTON
MAC:  I'll drive down in an Audi.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:conversion info needed... (luke)
   2. Re:k-jetronic question... (luke)
   3. Christian OLeary...Are you on this list?? (Dave Hord)
   4. RE:FA Family Album ETKA resolution settings no exit no escape (Suffolk
GameServer LAN)
   5. RE:Oil changes was Warranty Passat (Suffolk GameServer LAN)
   6. Re:Dash photo needed - T89 (Ti Kan)
   7. Re:conversion info needed... (Ti Kan)
   8. RE:Luke's 90TQ Photos on Mark's site viewable, before NOT. (Suffolk
GameServer LAN)
   9. Re:Re: conversion info needed... (Eric)
  10. Diagnostic Help -- 88 5KSQ (Gary Meier)
  11. Re:Luke's 90TQ Photos on Mark's site viewable, before NOT. (luke)
  12. Re:Luke's 90TQ Photos on Mark's site viewable, before NOT. (Huw
Powell)
  13. Re:rad solutions (luke)
  14. Re:NG engine in a 4000 quattro (ben swann)
  15. Re:conversion info needed... (Ti Kan)
  16. Re:5KTQ hesitates, makes popping sound, error 2141
(cjcasati at hotmail.com)

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Message: 1
From: "luke" <maytagasm at sympatico.ca>
To: "Jim Green" <jeg1976 at yahoo.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: conversion info needed...
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:22:14 -0400

sorry man... i didnt explain myself well enough...
the i know which sensor is which... but in the wiring harness im confused
they all come out at the same point and both of those two are black...
no distinguishing features except the tape i USED to have on there...

luke
90tq

>
> --- luke <maytagasm at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > anyone have a KH wiring harness diagram?
> > i found an MC which is almost identical...
> > but id like a KH if possible...
> >
> > and i found a big problem...
> > the tape distinguishing my TDC and knock sensors
> > fell off :(
> > how evil is that?
> > i opened the connectors but both have identical
> > coloured wires...
> > how can i tell whats right? what problems can this
> > cause etc?
> > does it need TDC sensor to run?
>
> The TDC sensor is the one that reads off your timing
> pin, the other one counts flywheel teeth, which should
> be the one closest to the firewall.
>
> HTH
>
>
> =====
> Jim Green
> '89 90tq 034EFI Stage II
> http://www.geocities.com/jeg1976/car_home.html
>
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Message: 2
From: "luke" <maytagasm at sympatico.ca>
To: "Michael Gough" <mdg3369 at newtsplace.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: k-jetronic question...
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:37:52 -0400

no offense... but EWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
i was thinking how messy they were... at least compared to how perfect
they were before... that will just take a bit of tinkering though :)
i think i have those kh lines pretty darn close to stock location in the
200...

luke
90tq

> Wow those lines are very neat and tidy!
> Check out mine prior to EFI...
> http://www.80tq.com/images/Mike%20Gough/Wholemotor.JPG
>
> :)
> MIke
>
> > there... i put a pic on my site of the updated engine status
> > shows the fuel line length...
> > i dont think any shorter would do the way the airbox is setup.
> > one the ugly fuel box is dropped in the are pretty tight...
> > i cant wait for efi though... that k-jetronic crap is FUGLY!
> > www.audi-quattro.org/~lukes90tq/
> >
> > luke
> > 90tq
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > you dont have a picture handy? the only MC pictures i can find are
way
> >> > zoomed out on the whole engine and that area is hard to see...
> >>
> >> I don't sorry, but hopefully Ti's link will help you.
> >>
> >> You can also just lay them in place until they seem "right".
> >>
> >> Oh wait a  long long minute...
> >>
> >> You're putting MC/5kt fuel lines in a 90, right?  They're gonna be ugly
> >> no matter what, since they are all too long.  If you look at some of
the
> >> older 4kqt conversion photos, you'll see what I mean.
> >>
> >> Just get them so they aren't kinked or chafing.  Mostly I've seen them
> >> sort of take an extra loop on their way to the head.
> >>
> >> The only ways around this are 1. new UrQ fuel lines or 2. EFI
conversion.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Huw Powell
> >>
> >> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi
> >>
> >> http://www.humanthoughts.org/
> >>

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:22:13 -0400
From: Dave Hord <spokes at the-wire.com>
To: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Christian OLeary...Are you on this list??

Christian Oleary...you on here, or anyone know him?

I think Christian and I are considering very similar Locost Seven
projects...would love to chat with him about various powerplant/transaxle
questions.

Drop me an email if you're here...

-Dave

--
86 4ksq 266,600km new to me as of March 5th 2003... will it stick around??
89 90q  330,000km as of Feb 26th.
Rally Conversion...perpetually in progress...
Roll cage shots available at:
http://home.the-wire.com/~spokes/rollcage/page1.htm

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Message: 4
Reply-To: <suffolk.associates at verizon.net>
From: "Suffolk GameServer LAN" <suffolk.associates at verizon.net>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Cc: <cdi at softhome.net>, <jim_haseltine at ntlworld.com>
Subject: RE: FA Family Album ETKA resolution settings no exit no escape
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:51:09 -0400

Family Album (FA) and ETKA:
"I've been told": That the default resolution is 1280 x 1024,
and will display only a portion of the program if shown on an
older computer or one set to less than the 1280 x 1024 resolution.
1024 x 768 or 800 x 600 will not display the entire program.
The best way to describe this is to look at a photo cropped.
Therefore, exit and other functions cann't be reached by the mouse.
(At least you cann't see them to be able to use them.)
HTH -Scott in BOSTON with "friends at dealerships."

Hello all, does anybody know what resolutions FA will run in?
>

At 1280 X 1024 you get the full FA covering the screen, at anything above
that you get FA in a 1280x1024 section of the screen.

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Message: 5
Reply-To: <suffolk.associates at verizon.net>
From: "Suffolk GameServer LAN" <suffolk.associates at verizon.net>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: RE: Oil changes was Warranty Passat
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:11:18 -0400

Not to start a how long and type of oil thread:
I read that several off lease A6's etc., VAG cars
like the 30V in particular where failing due to no compression.
It seems that someone posted here or at Audiworld
that the oil change time period seems crucial due
to the very thin weight oils used in these motors
and the close tolerances inside the motor.
Several of the off lease cars were just gased
and driven without regard to the oil changes or
service etc.
Contributing to this "problem"
Anyone have some concrete data regarding this?
HTH -Scott in BOSTON

I recently talked to the owner of a European parts
house in Mountain View- he had been a Mercedes
employee in Deutschland and seemed quite knowledgable.
Anyhoo, he pointed out that his Volvo turbo wagon gets
fresh Mobil 1 every 25,000 miles, and he's around
125,000 so far.

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Message: 6
From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
Subject: Re: Dash photo needed - T89
To: spokes at the-wire.com (Dave Hord)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
Cc: quattro at audifans.com

Dave Hord writes:
> I don't normally cross-post between Audifans and Audiworld...but I need a
photo
> kind of quickly:
>
> I need a photo of a stock 90q dash. Preferably from an 88-91 without the
wood
> trim, but I suppose that is being picky!

For the US, the type 89 Audi 90 series all have wood trim on the dash.
The 80 series does not have the wood trim.

Here is a 1988 80 dash: http://www.amb.org/ti/audi/88-80dash.jpg
Here is a 1988 90 dash: http://www.amb.org/ti/audi/88-90dash.jpg

For the 1990-91 model years, the 90 series (also the CQ) went to the
automatic climate controls, and added the 3-gauge panel below it.  Here
is a shot: http://www.amb.org/audi/91-cqdash.jpg

HTH!

-Ti
2003 A4 1.8T multitronic
2001 S4 biturbo 6-sp
1984 5000S turbo
1980 4000 2.0 5-sp
--
    ///  Ti Kan                Vorsprung durch Technik
   ///   AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
  ///    ti at amb.org
 //////  http://www.amb.org/ti/
///

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Message: 7
From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
Subject: Re: conversion info needed...
To: maytagasm at sympatico.ca (luke)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:11:40 -0700 (PDT)
Cc: quattro at audifans.com

luke writes:
> the tape distinguishing my TDC and knock sensors fell off :(
> how evil is that?
> i opened the connectors but both have identical coloured wires...
> how can i tell whats right? what problems can this cause etc?
> does it need TDC sensor to run?

Sort it out by testing for continuity between the appropriate ends
using an ohmmeter.  You know which pin at the ECU each of these
sensors are supposed to be wired to, right?

-Ti
2003 A4 1.8T multitronic
2001 S4 biturbo 6-sp
1984 5000S turbo
1980 4000 2.0 5-sp
--
    ///  Ti Kan                Vorsprung durch Technik
   ///   AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
  ///    ti at amb.org
 //////  http://www.amb.org/ti/
///

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Message: 8
Reply-To: <suffolk.associates at verizon.net>
From: "Suffolk GameServer LAN" <suffolk.associates at verizon.net>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Cc: <mchang at ee.washington.edu>, <maytagasm at sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Luke's 90TQ Photos on Mark's site viewable, before NOT.
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:01:37 -0400

Hey:  Nice picts.
When they on the http://www.geocities.com/lukes90tq/
 site I couldn't download all the photos.

Now with them on Mark's site, I can see them all.
http://www.audi-quattro.org/~lukes90tq

What's the difference?

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:17:48 -0400 (GMT)
From: Eric <eric_audi.ql at mindspring.com>
To: luke <maytagasm at sympatico.ca>, quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: Re: conversion info needed...

I have the info at home.  I will take a look.  I made a chart of everything
by going pin by pin from the connector.  I will send you something in an
hour or so if you don't already have it by then.

-Eric

'85 4kq (soon to be turbo)

-------Original Message-------
From: luke <maytagasm at sympatico.ca>
Sent: 07/29/03 01:22 PM
To: Jim Green <jeg1976 at yahoo.com>, quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: conversion info needed...

>
> sorry man... i didnt explain myself well enough...
the i know which sensor is which... but in the wiring harness im confused
they all come out at the same point and both of those two are black...
no distinguishing features except the tape i USED to have on there...

luke
90tq

>
> --- luke <maytagasm at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > anyone have a KH wiring harness diagram?
> > i found an MC which is almost identical...
> > but id like a KH if possible...
> >
> > and i found a big problem...
> > the tape distinguishing my TDC and knock sensors
> > fell off :(
> > how evil is that?
> > i opened the connectors but both have identical
> > coloured wires...
> > how can i tell whats right? what problems can this
> > cause etc?
> > does it need TDC sensor to run?
>
> The TDC sensor is the one that reads off your timing
> pin, the other one counts flywheel teeth, which should
> be the one closest to the firewall.
>
> HTH
>
>
> =====
> Jim Green
> '89 90tq 034EFI Stage II
> http://www.geocities.com/jeg1976/car_home.html
>
> __________________________________
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> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
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>

>

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Message: 10
From: "Gary Meier" <b1biker at neb.rr.com>
To: "Audi -- Quattro" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Diagnostic Help -- 88 5KSQ
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:34:07 -0500

The Saga --
My wife was returning home from work late at night, on the highway, during
the winter; noticed that the heater output was down so pulled into a nearby
shopping area and stopped the car. When I arrived I found the top neck of
the radiator had failed spewing most/all of the coolant out of the engine.
Reconnected the hose to the stub, refilled the cooling system and started
the car. Terrible roaring noise from the expansion tank - diagnosis blown
head gasket. Pulled head and found it to be warped about .050. Replaced
head, etc. once the car was running it occassionally stuttered during low
and mid-range acceleration; gas mileage also seemed to be down somewhat from
before the debacle. Over a period of about 5 months this problem has gotten
worse to the point where it is often hard to get the car to pull itself at
all. I know that the antifreeze could have ruined the 02 sensor and probably
would have had a detrimental effect on the cat. I'm hoping to check out the
02 sensor tomorrow night. Does anyone on the list have any words of wisdom
on the probable cause of my problems or any data/test procedures for
checking the cat.
Gary L. Meier
82 Coupe, 84 4KS, 88 5KSQ, 86 VW Quantum GL5

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Message: 11
From: "luke" <maytagasm at sympatico.ca>
To: <suffolk.associates at verizon.net>, <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: Luke's 90TQ Photos on Mark's site viewable, before NOT.
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:55:06 -0400

> Hey:  Nice picts.
> When they on the http://www.geocities.com/lukes90tq/
>  site I couldn't download all the photos.
>
> Now with them on Mark's site, I can see them all.
> http://www.audi-quattro.org/~lukes90tq
>
> What's the difference?

geocities SUCKS!
i just put that up for a night to show a few friends... but it was even
unable to handle
one nights traffic...

im not updating the geocities pages any more as you might have seen today...

luke
90tq

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:14:46 -0400
From: Huw Powell <audi at humanspeakers.com>
Reply-To: audi at humanspeakers.com
To: luke <maytagasm at sympatico.ca>
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: Luke's 90TQ Photos on Mark's site viewable, before NOT.

> i just put that up for a night to show a few friends... but it was even
> unable to handle one nights traffic...
>
> im not updating the geocities pages any more as you might have seen
today...

You should replace it with a simple link to the current location.  Low
bandwidth, and it takes care of the fact that now that you published the
url, people will be clicking on it for evermore.

--
Huw Powell

http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi

http://www.humanthoughts.org/

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Message: 13
From: "luke" <maytagasm at sympatico.ca>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: rad solutions
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:26:09 -0400

got a lower cost rad solution....

snip snip
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------
Hi,

We can provide you with a 13 X 17.25 X 2 radiator (13.25 X 13 core) for
$225.00 + shipping.

It is a down-flow design with 1" hose fittings, one at the upper passanger's
side and one at the bottom driver's side, filler neck in the top middle of
the upper tank.

Thanks,
Vince
Sales at AbsoluteRadiator.com

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------------------

i asked for an aluminum rad so i'm assuming thats what it is :)
the price sounds right... little short....
but better than $400 and $450...

hope this helps someone

luke
90tq

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:41:28 -0400
From: ben swann <benswann at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: NG engine in a 4000 quattro
To: Dave Glubrecht <daveglu at hotmail.com>
Cc: quattro at audifans.com

It has a 200 20V flywheel - yes lighter dual mass flywheel.

I sure wouldn't go yanking out the motor at this point if I hadn't
however.  I finally got the engine running today.

This whole project has been over 4 years in the making and 1 year was
planning and procurement of the parts to assemble the engine.   I think
this is the engine the car should have come with in the first place.

I cover most of the details on my website and plan to update with final
details when completed.

Ben
http://www.homestead.com/ben_swann/files/GTQswap.txt

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Glubrecht <daveglu at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: NG engine in a 4000 quattro

Did you lighten the flywheel?  I strongly recommend it!   No downside.
I have done the NG conversion to my 84 4kq and  couldn't be happier
with it.
Been driving  Mazda b3000 out of necessity and my urq when the truck is
not needed.
Probably will switch back to the 4kq soon.

Dave G

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ben swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> To: <James at ringsperformance.com>
> Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>; <benswann at comcast.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:41 PM
> Subject: NG engine in a 4000 quattro

> > James,
> >
> > Is the 4kq with NG engine a transplant, or did it actually have that
> > engine from the factory.  I was not aware any cam from the
> factory with this setup.
> >
> > I'm on the final stretch of an NG conversion in an '87 4kq which
> I have been calling "Project GTQ".  I hope to have it running this
week.
> >
> > Ben
> > http://www.homestead.com/ben_swann/files/GTQswap.txt
> >
> > [From: <James at ringsperformance.com>
> > To: <josh at spiny.com>, "Dave C." <conner at cfm.Ohio-State.edu>
> > Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
> > Subject: Re: Rear tie rod inner end boots for a 1987 5kcstq
> > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:29:37 -0600
> > <snip>
> >
> > cu, James Marriott
> > '87 4kq (alias "late-B2 90q") with rare ersatz NG engine, 184k,
> being> restored from rear-end total loss
> > '89 200q (MC1, ProconTen/no bag, 1.8 blah blah), 151k, already
> been un- totaled
> > Boise, ID, USA     http://www.webpak.net/~marriott/
> > www.ringsperformance.com]

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Message: 15
From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
Subject: Re: conversion info needed...
To: maytagasm at sympatico.ca (luke)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:27:41 -0700 (PDT)
Cc: quattro at audifans.com (Audi Mailing List)

OK, take the knock sensor wire as an example.  According to the
1986 5000 turbo quattro (MC engine) wiring diagram in my copy of
the Bentley manual, the knock sensor wire in the engine
compartment has a 3-pin connector that has three colors for its
wires (black, yellow, brown).  The signal lead is the black wire,
and is supposed to go to pin 15 of the ECU plug, the other two
wires are ground.

Thus, you set your multimeter to the resistance (ohms) mode with
the lowest scale, place one test lead of the multimeter on pin 15
of the ECU plug, then place the other lead on one of the unidentified
connectors' pins which has the black wire on it, and see which one
will cause the meter to register a reading that's close to zero ohms
(it won't be exactly 0, but should be a fraction of an ohm due to
wiring resistance).  Found it?

You do a similar thing to verify the other unidentified plug(s).
BTW, the Bentley shows three such 3-wire plugs with the same
color coding.  One for the knock sensor, one for the timing sensor,
and one for the RPM sender.

-Ti
2003 A4 1.8T multitronic
2001 S4 biturbo 6-sp
1984 5000S turbo
1980 4000 2.0 5-sp
--
    ///  Ti Kan                Vorsprung durch Technik
   ///   AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
  ///    ti at amb.org
 //////  http://www.amb.org/ti/
///

luke writes:
> i know this is a dumb question... but how do i test continuity?
>
> luke
>
> > luke writes:
> > > the tape distinguishing my TDC and knock sensors fell off :(
> > > how evil is that?
> > > i opened the connectors but both have identical coloured wires...
> > > how can i tell whats right? what problems can this cause etc?
> > > does it need TDC sensor to run?
> >
> > Sort it out by testing for continuity between the appropriate ends
> > using an ohmmeter.  You know which pin at the ECU each of these
> > sensors are supposed to be wired to, right?

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Message: 16
Reply-To: <cjcasati at hotmail.com>
From: <cjcasati at hotmail.com>
To: "Bernard Littau" <bernardl at acumenassociates.com>,
	<quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: 5KTQ hesitates, makes popping sound, error 2141
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:13:02 -0400

Hi all,

this is a follow-up for the archives: See below for symptoms, it got worse
since April but I fixed it this morning when I replaced the ignition wires
and plugs. The car sctually began to stumble and sputter... I need to put
hose clamps around that intercooler though...

Thank you as always,

Christoph
1986 5KTQ 180K Charlie Spring

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernard Littau" <bernardl at acumenassociates.com>
To: <cjcasati at hotmail.com>; <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: 5KTQ hesitates, makes popping sound, error 2141

> - hesitates, then engine catches on
> - under full throttle hesitation gets worse, popping sound from underneath
> the hood, check engine light comes on briefly
> - pulled error code 2141 (knock sensor max, timing fully retarded)
> - in the early stages the hesitation occured only when cold but the car
> didn't pull that strong anymore during warm acceleration.
>

Hi Chris,

Sounds like a leak in the air intake system between the output of the turbo
and the intake manifold.  It is quite likely that you blew your intercooler
or one of the hoses.  All the popping and such is likely from running way to
rich due to loosing metered air.

Check the intercooler and Michelin man hose for starters.

Good luck,

Bernard Littau
Woodinville, WA
'88 5ktq

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