80Q various track Q's

[JShadzi at aol.com]

Another thing, often its the shock/strut that bottoms out, and if this is the case then the car is too low for the dampner to function properly, but I'd say in Jim's case and generally for Audis of this vintage, HR/Eibachs, etc, often lower too far to prevent bottoming of the spring itself in areas with poor road conditions.

Javad

>Sure, I'm not sure why Ken said what he said either, or if that was in fact what he said, but you must assume that when a spring bottoms out that it is overly compressed, which is often the case with bolt in lowering springs, they use a variable rate to try to maintain proper spring rate but usually they are a compromise and bottom out easily, most people just accept this.  Coil overs can be set up to suit the application, so bottoming issues can be resolved with the right height and spring rates.
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>>I'm not in the least suggesting that going to coilovers is not a huge upgrade. It's just that I haven't heard much on the list about people bottoming out on Eibachs, H&Rs, Intrax, or whatever springs. I was also surprised by Ken of 2Bennett mentioning how compressed the Eibachs were on Jim's car, and that 315lb/in springs would ride softer. I interpreted that to mean that the progressives were already preloaded out of their soft range, which is somewhat odd.
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>>Anyways, I'm getting the feeling I'm flogging a dead horse here!!
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>>Whatever the exact problem was, it is being solved by installing Konis and coilovers. Good enough for me.....
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>>Cheers,
>>Brady
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>>  Brady, I don't think its reasonable to assume the Eibachs were compressed excessively unless the weight of the car was more than the springs were designed for.  IME, you always need a spring compressor with standard type lowering springs, there is still quite a bit of compression there.
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>>  For the most part, the coil over suspensions handle very well and ride well too, they do not use variable coils rates and bottoming out of the suspension is greatly reduced.  IMO, a lot of the lowering springs out there are a big compromise between performance and good ride, with the coil overs you can build a suspension that has more travel and can absorb a lot of the bigger road irregularities while still providing "stiff" control over the ride and handling of the car.
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>>  You're expressed that you think there is something fishy here a few times, but I think Jim's on the right track, the coil over suspensions just work better and ride better, I haven't used lowering springs in years, every car I've built for myself and other projects we just go straight to the C/O's.
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>>  HTH,
>>  Javad
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>>  In a message dated 5/7/2003 10:35:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, bradym at sympatico.ca writes:
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>>    Hi Jim/Javad/All,
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>>    I must have missed some of this thread.
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>>    Why were the Eibachs compressed so much? Normally, IME with lowering
>>    springs, you don't even need a spring compressor to remove them, and if you
>>    do, it's only for that last little bit.
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>>    There's still something fishy here.....
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>>    Of course, it's about to become moot!
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>>    Cheers,
>>    Brady Moffatt
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