-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] No doubt about that, but sometimes you don't need _that_ much heat ;) Javad In a message dated 10/1/2003 9:32:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, audi at humanspeakers.com writes: 5 minutes with a flame wrench at a real shop and it was off. Acetylene is a *lot* hotter and faster.