Timing belt align to rotor problem

[Denis]

  Timing is ok, i checked with the timing light. I looked at the wrong mark on the cam sprocket :-(.

  Ðenis

  Thanks to be so patient and helpful.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: SJ 
    To: quattro at audifans.com 
    Cc: Denis ; Ben Swann 
    Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 3:10 PM
    Subject: Re: Timing belt align to rotor problem


    Since Denis does have this wacky problem. I would go one step further. And
    that is to make absolutely sure that the valve timing is correct by using
    the  Mark I Eyeball.

    Remove the valve cover.
    Line up the flywheel TDC center (YES)
    Check to make sure the piston is at TDC(YES)
    Check to make sure the camshaft sprocket is lined up.(YES)
    Now look at the camshaft itself - Check to make sure the valves are
    up(closed) by looking at the valve cam follower.(YES)

    Just for the hell of it, I would remover the camshaft sprocket and check it. (YES I DID, THE KEY IS THERE)
    I dont know how its mounted . . is it keyed?
    Maybe the key is gone and the camshaft has moved.
    Maybe the camshaft sprocket has the dimple in the wrong place?

    There is something fundamentally wrong with the basic mechanicals. The basic
    engine stuff is not Voodoo! (Mmmmmmm)

    The only obvious problem indicator that we can see is the distributor being
    about 180 degrees off. And the clamp lock rivet is in place! (WAS, I REMOVED IT, I WAS WRONG, I PUTTED  BACK THE DISTR.)
    The only way for the distributor to be off is for the camshaft to be off.
    Everything keeps pointing to the camshaft . . the dist being off . and
    having to move the camshaft a couple teeth to just get the engine to run.

    So far, everything has been checked EXCEPT the valve timing. Looking at the
    cam sprocket is not checking the valve timing directly. You need to actually
    see the cam and the cam followers in action.

    SJ


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
    To: "Denis" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
    Cc: "SJ" <syljay at optonline.net>; <quattro at audifans.com>
    Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:56 AM
    Subject: Re: Timing belt align to rotor problem


    > The distributor has no slot in the bottom, so could theoretically be mated
    to the cam gear in any tooth to tooth position.  That said, unless the
    distributor or camshaft had been removed, the position should be as it was
    from the factory.  If your cam to crank position is off, then you will need
    to rotate the distribuotr to compensate, and in this case it means cutting,
    dremeling, drilling, or chiseling out the threaded rivit and relace with a
    normal bolt - not a bad idea anyway.
    >
    > Get your timing belt set per factory.  I won't matter much if the sprocket
    is off by a half tooth, but you'll need to figure if you want the cam timing
    advanced (better low end) or retarded(better top end).
    >
    > Ben
    >
    > [From: SJ <syljay at optonline.net>
    > Subject: Re: Timing belt align to rotor problem.
    > To: Denis <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
    > Cc: quattro at audifans.com
    > Message-ID: <000701c4eea0$4e3523e0$096efea9 at dell450>
    > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
    >
    > Maybe, the distributor shaft jumped gears or something. Who the hell
    knows.
    > You got one weird puppy there.
    >
    > If it was me, I would remove the distributor and check it out thoroughly.
    > I dont know how to check the gearing inside the head or the block.
    Somebody
    > else has to chime in on this.
    > I think the distrubutor end has a slot or groove that mates with the slot
    or
    > groove inside the engine. Maybe these are rounded off? The distributor end
    > is not fully engaging into the gear? Take some measurements and see what
    you
    > have.
    >
    > If I recall correctly, to remove the distributor, I ground off the rivet
    on
    > the dist clamp with a dremel grinding disc. It wasnt hard to do.
    >
    > What is the story with the fuel system?
    > Fuel pump pressure?
    > Fuel pump delivery?
    > Fuel pressure regulator?
    >
    > I still cannot figure out the relationship between your fuel problem and
    > this timing problem.
    > Maybe you were having a slowly worsening fuel problem for a long time. And
    > this timing problem occured very quickly and very recently. Maybe all that
    > cranking caused by your fuel problem had something to do with the
    > distributor being 180 degrees out?
    >
    > SJ]
    >