MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
Denis
sparkplugvw at hotmail.com
Wed Feb 25 10:46:03 EST 2004
Yes sure. Have you talk to Cody ?
Denis J
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Swann <benswann at comcast.net>
To: Denis <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
> Well actually based on list feedback, using the Motronic injection rail
and
> only a few of its sensors and manage with something like Megasquirt may be
> what I end up doing.
>
> I can tune Motronic with chips, but it is a PITA.
>
> Ben
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Denis" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> To: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:23 AM
> Subject: Re: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
>
>
> > that s ok. Big project you got with Motronic hey ;-)
> >
> > Denis
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > To: "Denis Julien" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
> >
> >
> > > Denis,
> > >
> > > I meant the Jorden fellow you mentioned. See my brains are hurting
so
> > much
> > > I got it mixed up with your name.
> > >
> > > Later,
> > >
> > > Ben
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Denis Julien" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > IT s open project. Its independent system from his mother
> Megasquirt.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Who is Julians ?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, i ll use CSI-E3 first , then quirt and spark.
> > > >
> > > > The AVR suppose to be all in one board but with such feature they
ll
> > not i
> > > > think so.
> > > >
> > > > My opinion is I prefert sandwitch boards. Top board is for CPU,
> > keyboard,
> > > > display interface, communication chip and some powers interface
> chip,
> > map
> > > > sensor, sensor input signal formating , the second board is to
drive
> > > > injectors, coils, fuel pump, secondary outputs, relays.
> > > >
> > > > Denis Julien
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > To: "Denis Julien" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> > > > Cc: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:32 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is the Mega AVR a spinoff of the megasquirt project consorcium
and
> > is an
> > > > > open system?
> > > > >
> > > > > What is Julians email address?
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, I know that it is relatively strightforward to use
Megasquirt
> > in
> > > > > conjunction with the ignition portion of one of the other
systems.
> > > > Probably
> > > > > the best one would be CIS-E3.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would kind of like an all-integrated or nothing solution at
this
> > > point,
> > > > > which is why I was going to start out with a base Motronic
system.
> > Then
> > > I
> > > > > could go MS later, using the same injector setup and various
> > Motronic
> > > > > sensors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Denis Julien" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:33 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oups ;-)
> > > > > > Yes it works, Cody Forbes did and some others guys on Audifans
> and
> > on
> > > > > > Megasquirt too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some use magnet on cam pulley. Other use the Hall module on
the
> > distr.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I m actualy reading the Mega doc. I m in the learning curves.
I
> > know
> > > how
> > > > > it
> > > > > > works in general but dont know yet how they programmed it
(exact
> > > routine
> > > > > > etc..)Got all parts need for:sensors,,, injectors...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mega pulse when engine ask pulse, so 5 cyl, or 24 cylinder it
> > works.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I ordered a partial kit and waiting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jorden from Mega AVR (sequential) want me use his system ;-),
i
> > dont
> > > > know
> > > > > > yet. It s in Hongry and not lots people here using it. Not as
> > > documented
> > > > > as
> > > > > > Megasquirt. I read lot of doc about it and seems to be i open
a
> > door
> > > and
> > > > i
> > > > > > need to open another door to get the first anwers then open
> > another
> > > door
> > > > > to
> > > > > > get the anw to the last etc.... lot s of boxes in the same
box.
> > Better
> > > > > > structure for Mega doc. They are in working progress. It ll be
a
> > great
> > > > > > system. Dont know what to do yet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For my knoledge, first i ll make me more confidente with a
> smaller
> > > > system
> > > > > > first:Megasquirt, then after been agood Tuner i ll at
something
> > > higher.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denis J
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > > > To: "Denis Julien" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:14 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does the MS&S work for 5 cyl. What is
distributor/triggering
> > used?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have you been working with the MS development? Just trying
to
> > > figure
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > who folks are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Denis Julien" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:55 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any
difference?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As Jim said, give a try with Megaquirt and spark first.
> Cause
> > the
> > > > > ultra
> > > > > > > > mega is not for tomorrow. and i cant wait until.
> > > > > > > > Then i ll develop a board (if i m not to busy with the V8
> > mods)
> > > to
> > > > > > > > synchronize for senquential, after full tuning is ok and
> work
> > > fine.
> > > > > Not
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > to touch the software.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Denis J
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Denis Julien" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > Cc: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:17 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any
> difference?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Denis,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I's like to discuss this more with you. Although I
> mention
> > > using
> > > > > > > > Motronic,
> > > > > > > > > I do have other motives. I have been eager to jump on
the
> > MS
> > > > > > bandwagon,
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > think that having the Motronic system and all of its
> > > components -
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > rail,
> > > > > > > > > injectors, sensors, as well as the ECU gives me a good
> base
> > > system
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > with MS should I opt for that route.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My main concerns with MS right now are the lack of
> > integrated
> > > > spark
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > sequential fuel injection. What are folks doing right
> now?
> > How
> > > > did
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > implement spark, timing, knock sensor control, etc. are
> you
> > > using
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > that supports sequential or the base MS batch setup.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have a ton of ??'s, but have been lurking and trying
to
> > get
> > > > > answers
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > background.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Eventually I'd like to develop a DIY kit for those who
> don't
> > > want
> > > > to
> > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > through the learning curve. I don't know if this is a
> > > worthwhile
> > > > > > > venture,
> > > > > > > > > but feel it may be for someone who simply can't work a
9-5
> > > > high-tech
> > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > > anymore, but like doing this type of work. I had
> considered
> > > > Javad's
> > > > > > > > system,
> > > > > > > > > but the price is a shocker. I think an MS based system
> and
> > its
> > > > > > > components
> > > > > > > > > could be made available for a fraction of the cost - I'm
> > talking
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > sequential integrated with ignition that has all of the
> > control
> > > > and
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > that Motronic ever had. Any idea about the timeframe of
> > this?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know I should be asking the MS list some of these
> > questions,
> > > but
> > > > > > I've
> > > > > > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > the questions asked before, and they seem to get brushed
> > aside.
> > > I
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > like to help with developing some of the code modules,
but
> > at
> > > > > present
> > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > even know who to ask about this or where to look.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Appreciate the feedback!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Denis Julien" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:22 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: MegaS ,AVR..Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any
difference?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mega AVR too, or the ultra Mega coming soon, with a
DSP
> > from
> > > > > > Motorola.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Denis Julien
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <JShadzi at aol.com>; <jeg1976 at yahoo.com>;
> > > > <quattro at audifans.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:17 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Javad,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I do expect to have to do some datalogging and
tweaking
> of
> > the
> > > > > maps
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > Motronic. I also understand that the system is rather
> > > adaptive
> > > > at
> > > > > > > least
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > lower power levels. My initial thrust will be getting
> an
> > > engine
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > works
> > > > > > > > > > fine under 300HP using among other things a complete
> > Motronic
> > > > > system
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > picked up rather economically.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Once I get the engine working at lower HP, I do have
> some
> > > > > resources
> > > > > > > > > > available to help me develop appropriate chip for the
> > specific
> > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > > characteristics. At that point I will indeed need to
> come
> > up
> > > > with
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > optimal maps and probably larger injectors for start.
I
> > feel
> > > > this
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > than starting with the CIS setup I was going to use.
I
> > also
> > > > think
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > Motronic doesn't cut it in the end due to its
> complexity
> > and
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > is somewhat proprietary and difficult to crack, I can
> use
> > what
> > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > good base to control with a variation on Megasquirt or
> > other
> > > > > system
> > > > > > > > > > available - perhaps even yours.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: JShadzi at aol.com
> > > > > > > > > > To: benswann at comcast.net ; jeg1976 at yahoo.com ;
> > > > > > quattro at audifans.com
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:04 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben, the 3B Motronic system, like any other factory
> > > management
> > > > > > > system,
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > developed for an _engine system_, in this case the 3B
> 20v
> > I5
> > > > with
> > > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > > > turbo, sensors/inputs, airflow input (including
> > intercooler,
> > > > > > manifold,
> > > > > > > > > > piping, exh. manifold), etc.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The 3B Motronic works wonderfully in the stock
> > application,
> > > > > > > obviously,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > in the 10v you can definitely feel that the
programming
> is
> > > > > slightly
> > > > > > > off.
> > > > > > > > > > Once you start changing turbos, intercoolers, this and
> > that,
> > > and
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > start pushing the boost and power, the Motrinic system
> > does
> > > not
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > Throwing "chips" at it doesn't help the situation, and
> by
> > the
> > > > time
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > realize this, who knows how much money you'll have
> thrown
> > at
> > > it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > About 5 years ago, during much of the development of
> the
> > > > 034efi
> > > > > > > > system,
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > worked on 2 projects to put the 3B Motronic system on
> the
> > 10v,
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > experience, and further confirmed the need for the
Stage
> > II
> > > > > systems
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > available now. The harder you push the motor, the
more
> > > trouble
> > > > > > you'll
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > with it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You may or may not see my opinion/experience in a
> > "sincere
> > > > > light",
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > that's the best advice I can give you. I'd like to
hear
> > > anyone
> > > > > > else's
> > > > > > > > > > experience with installing the 3B Motronic system in a
> > > modified
> > > > > > 10vt,
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > the varied feedback.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben, my question to you is, what makes you think it
> > _will_
> > > > work?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Javad
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/23/2004 3:10:43 PM Pacific
> Standard
> > > Time,
> > > > > > > > > > benswann at comcast.net writes:
> > > > > > > > > > Javad,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why do you say not Motronic in a 10V?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: <JShadzi at aol.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>; """Jim
> > Green"""
> > > > > > > > > > <jeg1976 at yahoo.com>;
> > > > > > > > > > <quattro at audifans.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 2:42 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: MC-1 MC-2 - Block any difference?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ben, just to be real clear on this issue (cause
> its
> > > close
> > > > to
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > heart),
> > > > > > > > > > *and I'm not saying you implied this*, but... I
> don't
> > tune
> > > > for
> > > > >
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > dyno
> > > > > > > > > > #'s,
> > > > > > > > > > big dyno #'s are the result of a powerful, well
> tuned
> > car.
> > > > > Any
> > > > > > > > advice
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > get from me will be in the context of reliable,
> > smooth,
> > > > > everyday
> > > > > > > > > power,
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > as much of it as you like (ie: the intended
> > application or
> > > > > > result
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > project).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I commuted 60 miles a day in my 80tq for 3
years,
> > 400hp
> > > > and
> > > > > > all,
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > got
> > > > > > > > > > near 30mpg, never left me stranted once.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Again, not saying you accused me of tuning for
> > "sloppy
> > > > > power",
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > a 400hp 10v run smooth everyday isn't too
difficult
> > with
> > > the
> > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > management system (ie: not 3B Motronic, in a 10v
> > anyway)
> > > and
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > attention
> > > > > > > > > > to detail.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > With that said, it doesn't sound like you're
> > shooting
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > moon
> > > > > > > > > wrt
> > > > > > > > > > power, so I'd recommend the MC2 for you, because
it
> > will
> > > > > perform
> > > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the range of power/use you're looking for. A
> pinging
> > > motor
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > > "sloppy"
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > me, so if you wanted to run 20+psi boost, then the
> MC2
> > may
> > > > > > become
> > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > more "sloppy", esp. w/o the right octange fuel or
> > engine
> > > > > > > management
> > > > > > > > > > system.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And, IME, water injection will only take you so
> far,
> > > there
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > the proper octane fuel for the application.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3B - 9.3:1
> > > > > > > > > > > MC2 - 8.4:1
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Javad
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