quattro Digest, Vol 13, Issue 51

[Sean-Philippe Gall]

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>    1. Re: FW: Tubular header for MC? (sdewitt at stx.rr.com)
>    2. FW: FW: Tubular header for MC? (Livolsi, Stephane)
>    3. RE: FW: Tubular header for MC? (Tyson Varosyan)
>    4. Re: Tubular header for MC? (SuffolkD at aol.com)
>    5. False Oil warning - Typ 89 (tihol tiholov)
>    6. Re: Rather bizarre question about leather seat care
>       (Kurt Deschler)
>    7. 1.8T vs 2.8 manual tranny ! (Denis)
>    8. RE: Rather bizarre question about leather seat care (Mack)
>    9. Re: Tubular header for MC? (Jim Green)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:00:11 -0600
> From: sdewitt at stx.rr.com
> Subject: Re: FW: Tubular header for MC?
> To: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
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> The V8 cylinder spacing is different. You maybe able to do that with a 
> 20V but not a 10V.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:38 pm
> Subject: FW: Tubular header for MC?
>
>> What got me thinking about it is that I saw a custom header with very
>> short runners made for a V8.  I thought - add another runner and you
>> could slap that on an I5...with a bit of mod, of course...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sdewitt at stx.rr.com [sdewitt at stx.rr.com]
>> Sent: November 16, 2004 10:30 AM
>> To: Livolsi, Stephane
>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: Tubular header for MC?
>>
>>
>> Nope, none that I've seen. It's probably more difficult than it looks.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:22 pm
>> Subject: Tubular header for MC?
>>
>> > I know Javad has a custom tubular header on his car, but he is
>> also
>> > running efi and has a lot of room. That one won't fit on a
>> 'stock' MC.
>> >
>> > What I was wondering is if anyone has had a custom header made
>> up that
>>
>> > would bolt into the stock position on an MC - It looks like it
>> > shouldn'tbe too hard.
>> >
>> >
>> > I have someone looking into it right now and will be getting to me
>> > witha price quote, but in the meantime I just thought I'd throw
>> it out
>> > there...
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:12:41 -0600
> From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
> Subject: FW: FW: Tubular header for MC?
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <A9CCC2FEA3353D4B9BB3D1DC8939777004CC1CA9 at igamail3.iga.bz>
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> I think I mis-spoke.  I wasn't implying that you could take a v8 header,
> add a runner and bolt it to the I5.
> I meant, if someone can build a short-runner header for a 4 cyl bank(v8
> spacing), they could do it for a 5 cyl bank (i5 spacing)
> Just looking at what some of these pros can do with tubular steel is
> astonishing.  I think it's all about having the right tools, which are
> prolly quite costly.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sdewitt at stx.rr.com [mailto:sdewitt at stx.rr.com]
> Sent: November 16, 2004 1:00 PM
> To: Livolsi, Stephane
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: FW: Tubular header for MC?
>
>
> The V8 cylinder spacing is different. You maybe able to do that with a
> 20V but not a 10V.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:38 pm
> Subject: FW: Tubular header for MC?
>
>> What got me thinking about it is that I saw a custom header with very
>> short runners made for a V8.  I thought - add another runner and you
>> could slap that on an I5...with a bit of mod, of course...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sdewitt at stx.rr.com [sdewitt at stx.rr.com]
>> Sent: November 16, 2004 10:30 AM
>> To: Livolsi, Stephane
>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: Tubular header for MC?
>>
>>
>> Nope, none that I've seen. It's probably more difficult than it looks.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:22 pm
>> Subject: Tubular header for MC?
>>
>> > I know Javad has a custom tubular header on his car, but he is
>> also
>> > running efi and has a lot of room. That one won't fit on a
>> 'stock' MC.
>> >
>> > What I was wondering is if anyone has had a custom header made
>> up that
>>
>> > would bolt into the stock position on an MC - It looks like it
>> > shouldn'tbe too hard.
>> >
>> >
>> > I have someone looking into it right now and will be getting to me
>> > witha price quote, but in the meantime I just thought I'd throw
>> it out
>> > there...
>> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:35:59 -0800
> From: "Tyson Varosyan" <tigran at tigran.com>
> Subject: RE: FW: Tubular header for MC?
> To: "'Livolsi, Stephane'" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>,
> 	"'Quattro at Audifans. Com (E-mail)'" <quattro at audifans.com>
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> Yea, to say the least.
>
> $12k Basic Mandrel Bender.
> $4-5k Mandrel tooling.
> $1k Semi-decent Mig welder.
> $2k Plasma cutter.
> $1k Air compressor with grinding tools, hoses and stuff...
> $2-3 Tig welder if you plan on working with Titanium and certain 
> stainless
> verieties...
>
> I used to make custom exhaust systems for the 3000GT/Stealth cars. It's a
> pain and there is little money in it.
>
> Tyson Varosyan
> Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC.
> tyson at up-times.com
> www.up-times.com
> 206-715-TECH (8324)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Livolsi, Stephane
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:13 PM
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: FW: FW: Tubular header for MC?
>
>
> I think I mis-spoke.  I wasn't implying that you could take a v8 header,
> add a runner and bolt it to the I5.
> I meant, if someone can build a short-runner header for a 4 cyl bank(v8
> spacing), they could do it for a 5 cyl bank (i5 spacing)
> Just looking at what some of these pros can do with tubular steel is
> astonishing.  I think it's all about having the right tools, which are
> prolly quite costly.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sdewitt at stx.rr.com [mailto:sdewitt at stx.rr.com]
> Sent: November 16, 2004 1:00 PM
> To: Livolsi, Stephane
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: FW: Tubular header for MC?
>
>
> The V8 cylinder spacing is different. You maybe able to do that with a
> 20V but not a 10V.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:38 pm
> Subject: FW: Tubular header for MC?
>
>> What got me thinking about it is that I saw a custom header with very
>> short runners made for a V8.  I thought - add another runner and you
>> could slap that on an I5...with a bit of mod, of course...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sdewitt at stx.rr.com [sdewitt at stx.rr.com]
>> Sent: November 16, 2004 10:30 AM
>> To: Livolsi, Stephane
>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: Tubular header for MC?
>>
>>
>> Nope, none that I've seen. It's probably more difficult than it looks.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:22 pm
>> Subject: Tubular header for MC?
>>
>> > I know Javad has a custom tubular header on his car, but he is
>> also
>> > running efi and has a lot of room. That one won't fit on a
>> 'stock' MC.
>> >
>> > What I was wondering is if anyone has had a custom header made
>> up that
>>
>> > would bolt into the stock position on an MC - It looks like it
>> > shouldn'tbe too hard.
>> >
>> >
>> > I have someone looking into it right now and will be getting to me
>> > witha price quote, but in the meantime I just thought I'd throw
>> it out
>> > there...
>> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:59:30 EST
> From: SuffolkD at aol.com
> Subject: Re: Tubular header for MC?
> To: quattro at audifans.com, Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com
> Message-ID: <be.1bf1e39a.2ecbe052 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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>
> I think a few guys were doing this as the initial steps of modding a 10V.
> Javad's motorgeek.com should be the place to look.
> AudiWorld has some talk like that too sometimes.............
> ask ToxCheap in the 200 forum he's tuned CIS too...................
> HTH - Scott by BOSTON
>
>> From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <>
>> I know Javad has a custom tubular header on his car, but he is also
>> running efi and has a lot of room. That one won't fit on a 'stock' MC.
>>
>> What I was wondering is if anyone has had a custom header made up that
>> would bolt into the stock position on an MC - It looks like it shouldn't
>> be too hard.
>>
>> I have someone looking into it right now and will be getting to me with
>> a price quote, but in the meantime I just thought I'd throw it out
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:52:20 -0800
> From: "tihol tiholov" <tihol.tiholov at sd27.bc.ca>
> Subject: False Oil warning - Typ 89
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <s19a223b.073 at gwia.sd27.bc.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I asked this and no reply, so I'll try again differently.  Can't find it 
> in the knowledge base or the archives (hard searching there).
> 1. Is the blue/black wire supposed to be attached to the single-wire oil 
> pressure sender for the check system (lower of the 2 senders on the 
> block)?
> 2. What does the red oil symbol, displayed by the check system, mean 
> exactly?  Is it a warning for oil pressure out of spec or is it also 
> related to the temp sender?  On my car the oil symbol flashes 3 times 
> with the tripple chime on after I go through the check system symbols 
> with the ignition on, even before starting the engine.  When running it 
> warns me at about 3K RPM.  This after renewing both press senders.  The 
> new single-wire sender was spec-d at 0.15-0.35 instead of the superceded 
> old one 0.15-0.45, if that matters.  Oil seems enough, well and kept in 
> engine.  Would a new oil temp sender fix this or, god forbid, a new oil 
> pump?
> Any help will be greatly appreciated,
> Tihol
>
> TT
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:19:03 -0500 (EST)
> From: Kurt Deschler <desch at alum.wpi.edu>
> Subject: Re: Rather bizarre question about leather seat care
> To: Andrew Duane <andrew at savaJe.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411161916150.13711 at cs.WPI.EDU>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> Andrew,
> Hydrogen peroxide works great for removing blood from fabric. I havn't
> tried it on leather. Try a small area first to make sure it does not
> discolor.
>  	-Kurt
>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:19:40 -0500
>> From: Andrew Duane <andrew at savaJe.com>
>> Subject: Rather bizarre question about leather seat care
>> To: Quattro List <quattro at audifans.com>
>> Message-ID: <20041116161940.GB30886 at fearless.savaJe.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> For reasons that I would really prefer not to get in to, I find
>> myself needing to remove a fairly large amount of blood from the
>> driver's seat in my A6. I know that cold water does a decent job
>> on things like clothes, but not sure about leather. I don't want
>> to set it, and I don't want to damage the leather.  Any ideas?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Andrew Duane            Member Technical Staff - ATG
>> SavaJe Technologies     andrew at savaje.com
>> 100 Apollo Drive        p: 978.856.4943
>> Chelmsford, MA 01824    f: 978.256.8386
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:41:27 -0500
> From: "Denis" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> Subject: 1.8T vs 2.8 manual tranny !
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <BAY21-DAV12scE8Npqh00016132 at hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> What the final ratio of both trannies ? (3.89 or 4.11 or else )
> Are they the same ?
> what is the differencies ?
>
> Can a 1.8T tranny is tuff enought to bolt on a 3.6 V8 ?
>
> thanks
>
> Ðenis
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:53:50 -0800
> From: Mack <macks4runner at shaw.ca>
> Subject: RE: Rather bizarre question about leather seat care
> To: 'Andrew Duane' <andrew at savaJe.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <004e01c4cc3f$e8845890$9a00a8c0 at davidprimary>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>
> Saddle soap might be effective in removing the blood, after all it is
> designed for cleaning leather products.
>
> Remember though, |CSI| has taught us that blood can still be detected 
> with
> |Luminol| lol
>
> Mack
>
> 1988 Honda Hawk GT British Racing Green (FOR SALE)
> 1989 Toyota 4Runner Special Edition black/silver (FOR SALE)
> 1996 Audi S6 Quattro Emerald Green (never for sale, I love my 4 door
> missile)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Kurt Deschler
> Sent: November 16, 2004 4:19 PM
> To: Andrew Duane
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Rather bizarre question about leather seat care
>
>
> Andrew,
> Hydrogen peroxide works great for removing blood from fabric. I havn't
> tried it on leather. Try a small area first to make sure it does not
> discolor.
>  	-Kurt
>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:19:40 -0500
>> From: Andrew Duane <andrew at savaJe.com>
>> Subject: Rather bizarre question about leather seat care
>> To: Quattro List <quattro at audifans.com>
>> Message-ID: <20041116161940.GB30886 at fearless.savaJe.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> For reasons that I would really prefer not to get in to, I find myself
>> needing to remove a fairly large amount of blood from the driver's
>> seat in my A6. I know that cold water does a decent job on things like
>> clothes, but not sure about leather. I don't want to set it, and I
>> don't want to damage the leather.  Any ideas?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Andrew Duane            Member Technical Staff - ATG
>> SavaJe Technologies     andrew at savaje.com
>> 100 Apollo Drive        p: 978.856.4943
>> Chelmsford, MA 01824    f: 978.256.8386
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:07:28 -0700
> From: Jim Green <jim.green at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Tubular header for MC?
> To: "Livolsi, Stephane" <stephane.livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <3b3a7254041116170769df2460 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:22:21 -0600, Livolsi, Stephane
> <stephane.livolsi at investorsgroup.com> wrote:
>> I know Javad has a custom tubular header on his car, but he is also
>> running efi and has a lot of room. That one won't fit on a 'stock' MC.
>>
>> What I was wondering is if anyone has had a custom header made up that
>> would bolt into the stock position on an MC - It looks like it shouldn't
>> be too hard.
>>
>> I have someone looking into it right now and will be getting to me with
>> a price quote, but in the meantime I just thought I'd throw it out
>> there...
>
> The only thing that you'll be able to fit in there is a log style
> manifold.  If done right, it could easily out flow the stock EM.  The
> biggest issue with any 10vt header is the stupid intake manifold, it
> takes of 90% of the space you should be using for a header, that's why
> you never see short runner tubular headers on 10vt's.  Plus, it's a
> catch 22, if you do get a higher flowing manifold and turbo in there,
> what are you going to do for fuel?  You could run an additional
> injector, but if your're going that far,  you probably could really
> benefit from getting the airflow plate out of the intake path, plus
> why not wire up a few more things and go full EFI.  The 10vt
> absolutely has to be one of the most difficult motors to build headers
> for.  It's not as bad on a type44 because you have some extra room,
> but It's still a PITA.  I guess what I'm trying to say is, really
> think about it, and before you dump money into something like this,
> make sure you are really going to be able to get what you want out of
> it.  I'll tell you the simple path, EFI, a real tubular header with a
> T3 flange on it, and a $500 T4/T3 turbo will go a long ways.
>



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