1.8T 5000tq engine swap

[Cody Forbes]

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> > I found a web site of a guy doing a 1.8T engine swap on a VW syncro
wagon.
> > It got me thinking.... could it be done on a 5000tq?
>
> Well first off, you can do anything you want to any car you want, but
> sometimes it's a bit harder and more expensive, ;-) (old racing
> saying...It's not the size of your motor that counts, it's the size of the
> wallet that built the motor). You could theoretically tube frame the front
> of the 5k and put the 1.8t in, but within reason I'd say for sure theres
no
> way you can mount any motor transverse in a 5k. Second though, why in the
> name of Piech would you want to put the cheap POS 1.8t instead of a good
> well built 5 cylinder? Don't mean to offend anybody, but the 1.8t engine
is
> IMHO only good for making boat anchors out of. I have had to rebuild a few
> of them for excessive oil smoke with under 125,000miles on a well
maintained
> car. In every case the engine showed as much wear inside as what I
normally
> see in a car with over 200,000. Also there's the coil problems that seem
to
> have been mostly solved by now. If you are wanting to do power mods, well
> heck I have nearly 500hp on a stock bottom end with over 200,000 miles on
it
> in my '87 5000tq. If your looking for fuel economy, well the money that
you
> would save by NOT doing  this swap would pay for gas for a very long time.
>
> >What are the issues of
> > going from transverse to longitudual?  Are there rotational differences
> > betwen the 2 engines?  The wiring harness would be a colossal pain.  You
> > could source a 1.8T engine  pretty easily... and the stock of readily
> > available parts / spares / performance parts is quite great.  Is it too
> > simpistic to think of the Audi 5 cylinder engine... in it's basic sense
as
> a
> > VW 1.8 4 cylinder... of the late 80's vintage... extended by 1 cylinder?
> >
> > For those with the know... what do you think?
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> There is no way to mount the motor in, totally different mounting designs.
> Also there's no way to attach the motor to the wheels to make them turn.
The
> layout of the cars are not even remotely simmilar. The gearbox in a
> transverse 1.8t has the axles running just under and in front of the
engine,
> where in the longitudinal 5k it's axles are about 18 inches behind the
> engine. I don;t even know how to explain how different they are :-). The
> thing is though, that Audi A4's have the same 1.8t engine mounted
> longitudinally, so there is a possibility that that would work if you
could
> figure out how to bolt it to the transmission and like you said have fun
> with the wiring.
>
> -Cody Forbes
> http://www.5000tq.com
> '86 5ktq EFI
> '87 5ktq 380whp
> '88 80 4cyl
> '88 90 4cyl
>

PS. Here are some websites for 5 cylinder power mods:
http://www.intendedacceleration.com
http://www.2bennett.com
http://www.audiquattroparts.com
http://www.mswanson.com/%7Ejgreen/car_home.html - Nothing sold here, but
lots of good info, Jim Green is a lister here and currently his car is
officially faster then mine...but I hope to fix that as soon as I can get
some numbers on paper ;-).

There are plenty more, but I cant seem to think of them ATM. Be advised
though that the 5 cylinder engine is one of the best engines ever made, it
can take massive ammounts of abuse without even hinting at sneezing. Again,
mine is nearly 500hp on stock internals, and it has over 200,000 miles on
it. Jim Green has about 430hp (right Jim?), and again on stock bottom end
internals. The twin cam 20v engine is even stronger, there's at least one
report of a guy who has 650hp on a daily driven street car. Hans Dalhback of
Dahlback racing as another example took the 1.8l 4cyl OUT of his Golf to
install a 20 valve 5 cylinder, which now has OVER 700hp.



 -Cody Forbes
 http://www.5000tq.com
 '86 5ktq EFI
 '87 5ktq 380whp
 '88 80 4cyl
 '88 90 4cyl