4000s starting issue (no click/crank)

[928s@canada.com]

hello audifans,

  Huw, i swaped the 2 cables with no change. I also
tried adding ground from the battery neg direct to
either upper&lower terminals on the solenoid. No click
or crank.

 I dug a bit deeper into the issue, I was told by a
mechanic that you need a special 'c'-shaped Obstruction
wrench to remove the starter (i.e.
http://www.hazet.de/eng/katalog/suche_3.asp?F=615&H=100&U=306
or
http://www.stahlwille.de/katalog_engl/show_kat.php?kat=stahlwilleProductVariations&show_tree=&productid=879&high=Array&PHPSESSID=128144ce414d3a293d49713547a0b8e4
or
http://www.toolss.com/wbstore/main.asp?action=PROD&PROD=GT-8303&CTMP=1 ) Also, I noticed a not in the
electrical schematics that the AUTO starter setup
differs from the MANUAL
those pages are here:
manual trans:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/joane.dadie-/audi-4000-97-239.jpg
auto trans:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/joane.dadie-/audi-4000-97-260.jpg
& here's that reference to the solenoid's conenctors:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/joane.dadie-/audi-4000-27-11.jpg
i've dotted in blue the locations of my two connectors
forming a cros patter as opposed to what's in the Audi
book.

alex v.
'86 4000s auto 
5-Cyl. 2.2
288K Km. in Canada

Huw Powell  <audi at humanspeakers.com> to 928s, quattro 

>  Starters here refurb'd from Bosch are $265+ CAD
Here probably, too.  The ones I am running are
basically "no name"
remans, bought at a chain auto store.  With a lifetime
warranty...

>  I rechecked the 2 other terminals
> (upper & lower) with connectors attached. Th Upper
with
> brown shielding did light the lamp. The lower black
> shielded cable did not light.

It sounds like, yes, your ign switch is sending down 12
volts properly.
 There is still the possibility that the wiring can't
deliver enough
current, but if the bulb lights brightly and stays that
way you should
be ok.

I can't remember which terminal there is which (upper
vs. lower, which
is ign and which is the return), so, just for the heck
of it, why not
swap the two and see if you get any results?

And as I said, if you're down to the last test before
biting the bullet
and buying a starter, remove the old one and get it
tested just top make
sure.