Super duper fuels, eh?

[Grant Lenahan]

No. See earlier posts. Yu save gas at the pump, but use even more  
making the ethanol.

Grant
On Aug 4, 2007, at 10:15 PM, John Lagnese wrote:

> Even if the 10% ethanol has a net of 5% that's still a 5% decrease of  
> energy
> dependency on others (read that shaky belligerent dictatorships). You  
> can be
> sure as the price of fuel goes up, ethanol production will become more
> efficient and prevalent.
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com  
> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On
> Behalf Of LL - NY
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:36 PM
> To: William Magliocco
> Cc: brett at cloud9.net; TurboQuattro at shaw.ca; quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Super duper fuels, eh?
>
> It is not. It takes nearly as much fossil fuel energy to produce
> the ethanol (from corn, anyway, the Brazilians are much better
> off b/c they make their ethanol from cane sugar, which is one
> of their main crops) as the energy we get out of it.
>
> It's a smoke screen, it makes us think we are doing something
> about reducing fossil fuel use, atmospheric CO2 levels, and
> dependency on foreign oil, but it really doesn't help much. Unless
> you're a corn futures broker.
>
> LL - NY
>
> On 8/4/07, William Magliocco <magliocc at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, Brett.  The cocktail was burned off in less
>> than a week.
>>
>> The 100 in question is the most well sealed fuel
>> system of any car I have owned.  I love to hear the
>> air rush in when I pull the cap off at the gas
>> station.
>>
>> Not wishing to start a flame war, though, I am not
>> convinced that the US approach to ethanol is energy
>> efficient.
>>
>>
>> --- Brett Dikeman <quattro at frank.mercea.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2007, at 4:37 PM, William Magliocco wrote:
>>>
>>>> I once made an ~E-25 cocktail with a 1/4 tank of
>>> E-85
>>>> then the rest 93 octane premium in my '93 100.
>>> Yes,
>>>> the engine liked it better, but the wallet did
>>> not.
>>>
>>> You can't run more than about 20% alcohol according
>>> to the manual, if
>>> I recall.  Damages the seals and hoses.
>>>
>>> Also, ethanol fuel is hygroscopic like you wouldn't
>>> believe.  You
>>> have to use it fast, or have a very well sealed
>>> system, or you're
>>> going to end up with water, and hence rust the
>>> injectors, regulator,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> One of ethanol's many problems as a fuel.  Even in
>>> Brazil, the number
>>> of ethanol cars is dropping, and it is widely
>>> available and (I
>>> believe) cheaper.
>>>
>>> Brett
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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