Super duper fuels, eh?

[John S. Lagnese]

Currently, what gas mileage do you think earlier cars got? Mileage has 
doubled or tripled. I am sure that technology will increase the production 
efficiency.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grant Lenahan" <glenahan at vfemail.net>
To: "John Lagnese" <jlagnese at massed.net>
Cc: "'William Magliocco'" <magliocc at rocketmail.com>; <brett at cloud9.net>; 
"'LL - NY'" <larrycleung at gmail.com>; <TurboQuattro at shaw.ca>; 
<quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Super duper fuels, eh?


> No. See earlier posts. Yu save gas at the pump, but use even more  making 
> the ethanol.
>
> Grant
> On Aug 4, 2007, at 10:15 PM, John Lagnese wrote:
>
>> Even if the 10% ethanol has a net of 5% that's still a 5% decrease of 
>> energy
>> dependency on others (read that shaky belligerent dictatorships). You 
>> can be
>> sure as the price of fuel goes up, ethanol production will become more
>> efficient and prevalent.
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com  [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of LL - NY
>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:36 PM
>> To: William Magliocco
>> Cc: brett at cloud9.net; TurboQuattro at shaw.ca; quattro at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: Super duper fuels, eh?
>>
>> It is not. It takes nearly as much fossil fuel energy to produce
>> the ethanol (from corn, anyway, the Brazilians are much better
>> off b/c they make their ethanol from cane sugar, which is one
>> of their main crops) as the energy we get out of it.
>>
>> It's a smoke screen, it makes us think we are doing something
>> about reducing fossil fuel use, atmospheric CO2 levels, and
>> dependency on foreign oil, but it really doesn't help much. Unless
>> you're a corn futures broker.
>>
>> LL - NY
>>
>> On 8/4/07, William Magliocco <magliocc at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed, Brett.  The cocktail was burned off in less
>>> than a week.
>>>
>>> The 100 in question is the most well sealed fuel
>>> system of any car I have owned.  I love to hear the
>>> air rush in when I pull the cap off at the gas
>>> station.
>>>
>>> Not wishing to start a flame war, though, I am not
>>> convinced that the US approach to ethanol is energy
>>> efficient.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Brett Dikeman <quattro at frank.mercea.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2007, at 4:37 PM, William Magliocco wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I once made an ~E-25 cocktail with a 1/4 tank of
>>>> E-85
>>>>> then the rest 93 octane premium in my '93 100.
>>>> Yes,
>>>>> the engine liked it better, but the wallet did
>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>> You can't run more than about 20% alcohol according
>>>> to the manual, if
>>>> I recall.  Damages the seals and hoses.
>>>>
>>>> Also, ethanol fuel is hygroscopic like you wouldn't
>>>> believe.  You
>>>> have to use it fast, or have a very well sealed
>>>> system, or you're
>>>> going to end up with water, and hence rust the
>>>> injectors, regulator,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of ethanol's many problems as a fuel.  Even in
>>>> Brazil, the number
>>>> of ethanol cars is dropping, and it is widely
>>>> available and (I
>>>> believe) cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> Brett
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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