Super duper fuels, eh?

[Grant Lenahan]

I'm not sure hwo that is relevant tomy point, but there was a  
disturbing article in C&ED, comparing late 50s cars with todays gfor  
weight and MPGs.

MPGs are up less than 30% for comparable vehicles, held back largely by  
Weight which has RISEN.

Grant
On Aug 5, 2007, at 10:24 PM, John S. Lagnese wrote:

> Currently, what gas mileage do you think earlier cars got? Mileage has  
> doubled or tripled. I am sure that technology will increase the  
> production efficiency.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Lenahan"  
> <glenahan at vfemail.net>
> To: "John Lagnese" <jlagnese at massed.net>
> Cc: "'William Magliocco'" <magliocc at rocketmail.com>;  
> <brett at cloud9.net>; "'LL - NY'" <larrycleung at gmail.com>;  
> <TurboQuattro at shaw.ca>; <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Super duper fuels, eh?
>
>
>> No. See earlier posts. Yu save gas at the pump, but use even more   
>> making the ethanol.
>>
>> Grant
>> On Aug 4, 2007, at 10:15 PM, John Lagnese wrote:
>>
>>> Even if the 10% ethanol has a net of 5% that's still a 5% decrease  
>>> of energy
>>> dependency on others (read that shaky belligerent dictatorships).  
>>> You can be
>>> sure as the price of fuel goes up, ethanol production will become  
>>> more
>>> efficient and prevalent.
>>> John
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com   
>>> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On
>>> Behalf Of LL - NY
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:36 PM
>>> To: William Magliocco
>>> Cc: brett at cloud9.net; TurboQuattro at shaw.ca; quattro at audifans.com
>>> Subject: Re: Super duper fuels, eh?
>>>
>>> It is not. It takes nearly as much fossil fuel energy to produce
>>> the ethanol (from corn, anyway, the Brazilians are much better
>>> off b/c they make their ethanol from cane sugar, which is one
>>> of their main crops) as the energy we get out of it.
>>>
>>> It's a smoke screen, it makes us think we are doing something
>>> about reducing fossil fuel use, atmospheric CO2 levels, and
>>> dependency on foreign oil, but it really doesn't help much. Unless
>>> you're a corn futures broker.
>>>
>>> LL - NY
>>>
>>> On 8/4/07, William Magliocco <magliocc at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, Brett.  The cocktail was burned off in less
>>>> than a week.
>>>>
>>>> The 100 in question is the most well sealed fuel
>>>> system of any car I have owned.  I love to hear the
>>>> air rush in when I pull the cap off at the gas
>>>> station.
>>>>
>>>> Not wishing to start a flame war, though, I am not
>>>> convinced that the US approach to ethanol is energy
>>>> efficient.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Brett Dikeman <quattro at frank.mercea.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 2007, at 4:37 PM, William Magliocco wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I once made an ~E-25 cocktail with a 1/4 tank of
>>>>> E-85
>>>>>> then the rest 93 octane premium in my '93 100.
>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>> the engine liked it better, but the wallet did
>>>>> not.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't run more than about 20% alcohol according
>>>>> to the manual, if
>>>>> I recall.  Damages the seals and hoses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, ethanol fuel is hygroscopic like you wouldn't
>>>>> believe.  You
>>>>> have to use it fast, or have a very well sealed
>>>>> system, or you're
>>>>> going to end up with water, and hence rust the
>>>>> injectors, regulator,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of ethanol's many problems as a fuel.  Even in
>>>>> Brazil, the number
>>>>> of ethanol cars is dropping, and it is widely
>>>>> available and (I
>>>>> believe) cheaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brett
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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