tires

[Grant Lenahan]

Thanks for the hands-on info.

Somehow, though, it seems irrelevant to criticize the GSD3 for being  
less sticky than ~60 treadwear R rubber, or to begin hardening at 37  
deg. Those are givens.

G
On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:46 PM, LL - NY wrote:

> If you're looking for all out dry/wet street tires, you will have  
> to add the
> Dunlop Direzza Z-1's to the list. Same class of tire as the Falken  
> RT615, BS
> RE01R's, being run by members of other forums on RX8's and WRX's  
> and they're
> finding that they have a bit more to give than the RE01R's in track
> conditions, and have the same wet performance at the BS's, which  
> makes them
> better performers than the RT615. Ride isn't as nice as the BS's  
> however. TR
> seems to concur.
>
> I am running Nokian WR G2's ATM on the Saabaru. Surprisingly good  
> in the dry
> and wet, VG on sticky or deep snow and slush, but quite mediocre on  
> powder,
> no matter how deep or shallow. Got the opportunity to verify that  
> again
> during last Friday's storm.
>
> As for the GY F1 GSD3, for the price, I think an excellent tire. On  
> the
> street, an excellent tire. At the track, either I've become way to  
> used to
> R-rubber, or the TR review was a bit too much of a superlative, but  
> at a
> very wet Divisionals event two seasons ago, I took the chance and  
> ran them
> for one run in standing water and although predictable, they were  
> not grippy
> at all (read, slow). Switched to the DOT-R's, and immediately gained 4
> seconds on a 48 second course, with more controllability. Still  
> standing
> water. And there is (other than the two required circumferal  
> grooves) no
> visible tread pattern. In terms of cold performance, the GY's got  
> dicey
> around 37 degrees in the wet on the street (had to wait a week for  
> my WR's
> to show up).
>
> Taka didn't mention that he's also driven Falken FK451's on my UrS.  
> They are
> VERY grippy, quiet tires but the carcass seems a bit more touring  
> oriented,
> so they aren't as responsive as I was hoping they would be, but their
> successors (the FK452) may be of worthwhile alternative if someone is
> looking for a very high performance quiet tire (they're multiple  
> steps above
> a touring tire, but they seem to have a decent ride and did I  
> mention that
> they are quiet?), i.e. have a good part of the fun, but keep the  
> misses
> happy. These tires are also summer only.
>
> As for Kumho's, I've had the Ecsta Supra 712's on my 200Q. Similar  
> opinions
> as peeps have been saying about the 711's, but for the $$$ not a  
> bad deal.
> They do get noisy as they wear. FWIW, many on the Saabaru list are  
> EXTREMELY
> happy with the Kumho ASX, although when I do eventually have to  
> replace my
> Goodyear F1's I'm considering the BFG SuperSport A/S, which  
> impressed the
> reviewers at Road and Track to the point that they claim it has
> revolutionized the UHP all season market.
>
> LL - NY
>
> On 2/24/08, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've pretty much heard unequivocally that Michelin tires are the  
>> best in
>> terms of quality from many shops that run the range from medium and
>> heavy-duty truck tire places to places that run mostly race cars and
>> sports
>> cars.
>>
>> Michelin PS2 have been the most civilized summer tire that I've  
>> driven in
>> a
>> long time, compared to the following:
>>
>> Bridgestone RE-01R
>> Falken RT-615
>> Continental SC2
>> Bridgestone RE-050 (don't know the variant)
>> Bridgestone RE-070
>> Yokohama A-046
>> Dunlop SP Sport Maxx (this was close in terms of noise and  
>> comfort, albeit
>> brand-new tires)
>> Michelin Pilot Sport
>> Michelin MXX3
>> Sumitomo HTR-ZII
>> Bridgestone RE-040
>> Dunlop SP 9000 (these vary depending on if they are German-made  
>> versions
>> or
>> not)
>> Goodyear F1 GSD3
>> Yokohama AVS Sport
>> Dunlop SP 8000E
>> Yokohama AVS Intermediate (these were very good, but eclipsed a  
>> long time
>> ago in terms of treadwear and performance)
>> Bridgestone RE-71
>>
>> I'd run the PS2s over all of these unless I wanted an all-out dry
>> performance tire at the expense of any other considerations. For that
>> purpose, I would run either Bridgestone RE-01R, RE-070 (if avail.  
>> in the
>> appropriate size) or Falken RT-615. I would also pay the price  
>> premium for
>> the Michelins- I'm very happy with my current set on the V70R.
>>
>> I'm running RE-01R on the Miata and RE-070 on the STi.
>>
>> BTW, none of these tires is really any good at temps below 38-40F,
>> borderline deadly if it's that cold _and_ wet and/or snowy.
>>
>> I run Nokian WR for winter tires, will switch over the STi and the  
>> Miata
>> to
>> WR G2 when the current tires need replacement.
>>
>>
>> Taka
>>
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