tires

[LL - NY]

My point was that in standing water, I figured that tread pattern would've
mattered much more than compound. Guess not, at least at speeds below 50
MPH, which is what speeds I  reached the next day on essentially the same
course in reverse, obviously this was Auto-X not HPDE.

Somehow, at an HPDE on an open road track I don't think the DOT-R's would've
handled they standing water so well.

LL - NY

On 2/24/08, Grant Lenahan <glenahan at vfemail.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the hands-on info.
>
> Somehow, though, it seems irrelevant to criticize the GSD3 for being
> less sticky than ~60 treadwear R rubber, or to begin hardening at 37
> deg. Those are givens.
>
>
> G
>
> On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:46 PM, LL - NY wrote:
>
> > If you're looking for all out dry/wet street tires, you will have
> > to add the
> > Dunlop Direzza Z-1's to the list. Same class of tire as the Falken
> > RT615, BS
> > RE01R's, being run by members of other forums on RX8's and WRX's
> > and they're
> > finding that they have a bit more to give than the RE01R's in track
> > conditions, and have the same wet performance at the BS's, which
> > makes them
> > better performers than the RT615. Ride isn't as nice as the BS's
> > however. TR
> > seems to concur.
> >
> > I am running Nokian WR G2's ATM on the Saabaru. Surprisingly good
> > in the dry
> > and wet, VG on sticky or deep snow and slush, but quite mediocre on
> > powder,
> > no matter how deep or shallow. Got the opportunity to verify that
> > again
> > during last Friday's storm.
> >
> > As for the GY F1 GSD3, for the price, I think an excellent tire. On
> > the
> > street, an excellent tire. At the track, either I've become way to
> > used to
> > R-rubber, or the TR review was a bit too much of a superlative, but
> > at a
> > very wet Divisionals event two seasons ago, I took the chance and
> > ran them
> > for one run in standing water and although predictable, they were
> > not grippy
> > at all (read, slow). Switched to the DOT-R's, and immediately gained 4
> > seconds on a 48 second course, with more controllability. Still
> > standing
> > water. And there is (other than the two required circumferal
> > grooves) no
> > visible tread pattern. In terms of cold performance, the GY's got
> > dicey
> > around 37 degrees in the wet on the street (had to wait a week for
> > my WR's
> > to show up).
> >
> > Taka didn't mention that he's also driven Falken FK451's on my UrS.
> > They are
> > VERY grippy, quiet tires but the carcass seems a bit more touring
> > oriented,
> > so they aren't as responsive as I was hoping they would be, but their
> > successors (the FK452) may be of worthwhile alternative if someone is
> > looking for a very high performance quiet tire (they're multiple
> > steps above
> > a touring tire, but they seem to have a decent ride and did I
> > mention that
> > they are quiet?), i.e. have a good part of the fun, but keep the
> > misses
> > happy. These tires are also summer only.
> >
> > As for Kumho's, I've had the Ecsta Supra 712's on my 200Q. Similar
> > opinions
> > as peeps have been saying about the 711's, but for the $$$ not a
> > bad deal.
> > They do get noisy as they wear. FWIW, many on the Saabaru list are
> > EXTREMELY
> > happy with the Kumho ASX, although when I do eventually have to
> > replace my
> > Goodyear F1's I'm considering the BFG SuperSport A/S, which
> > impressed the
> > reviewers at Road and Track to the point that they claim it has
> > revolutionized the UHP all season market.
> >
> > LL - NY
> >
> > On 2/24/08, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've pretty much heard unequivocally that Michelin tires are the
> >> best in
> >> terms of quality from many shops that run the range from medium and
> >> heavy-duty truck tire places to places that run mostly race cars and
> >> sports
> >> cars.
> >>
> >> Michelin PS2 have been the most civilized summer tire that I've
> >> driven in
> >> a
> >> long time, compared to the following:
> >>
> >> Bridgestone RE-01R
> >> Falken RT-615
> >> Continental SC2
> >> Bridgestone RE-050 (don't know the variant)
> >> Bridgestone RE-070
> >> Yokohama A-046
> >> Dunlop SP Sport Maxx (this was close in terms of noise and
> >> comfort, albeit
> >> brand-new tires)
> >> Michelin Pilot Sport
> >> Michelin MXX3
> >> Sumitomo HTR-ZII
> >> Bridgestone RE-040
> >> Dunlop SP 9000 (these vary depending on if they are German-made
> >> versions
> >> or
> >> not)
> >> Goodyear F1 GSD3
> >> Yokohama AVS Sport
> >> Dunlop SP 8000E
> >> Yokohama AVS Intermediate (these were very good, but eclipsed a
> >> long time
> >> ago in terms of treadwear and performance)
> >> Bridgestone RE-71
> >>
> >> I'd run the PS2s over all of these unless I wanted an all-out dry
> >> performance tire at the expense of any other considerations. For that
> >> purpose, I would run either Bridgestone RE-01R, RE-070 (if avail.
> >> in the
> >> appropriate size) or Falken RT-615. I would also pay the price
> >> premium for
> >> the Michelins- I'm very happy with my current set on the V70R.
> >>
> >> I'm running RE-01R on the Miata and RE-070 on the STi.
> >>
> >> BTW, none of these tires is really any good at temps below 38-40F,
> >> borderline deadly if it's that cold _and_ wet and/or snowy.
> >>
> >> I run Nokian WR for winter tires, will switch over the STi and the
> >> Miata
> >> to
> >> WR G2 when the current tires need replacement.
> >>
> >>
> >> Taka
> >>
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