Audi in London

[Ed Kellock]

4Motion is Quattro.  Longitudinal engine orientation gets Quattro.
Transverse engine gets Haldex. 

The systems are different based on engine orientation.  The name is based on
brand name.

Ed

> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com 
> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Steve Meyer
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:12 PM
> To: Mark J. Besso; Mark R
> Cc: Bares, Vittorio; quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Audi in London
> 
> 
> I think I agree...I know my 4Motion Passat outgrips any 4kq 
> or 90q I've owned...regardless of tires. The only thing 
> is...what type of setup is 4Motion? Maybe I'm just an idiot 
> and my 4Motion is haldex. I've never actually worried about 
> it. It goes down the highway in sloppy stuff without a care. 
> My 90q and 4kq are fun, but when I got the kids in the car I 
> want my Passat. My 100q Avant seems very stable in messy 
> stuff on the highway too. This summer we had loads of rain 
> and the gravel roads were a mess...so I took them home from 
> work every night for fun. Mud, puddles, loose gravel...that's 
> what quattro is for!
> 
> slm
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Mark R <speedracer.mark at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mark R <speedracer.mark at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Audi in London
> > To: "Mark J. Besso" <mbspeed at maxboostracing.com>
> > Cc: "Bares, Vittorio" <Vittorio.Bares at nuance.com>, 
> > quattro at audifans.com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:22 PM
> > Mark,
> > I hear ya.  I picked up an '87 4KCSQ for ice racing
> > because of thi (and it's
> > light and cheap!)... but the truth is that the newer
> > Quattros have more grip
> > (IMHO).
> > Maybe not as much tail-happy fun, but more overall grip.
> > 
> > Mark Rosenkrantz
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Mark J. Besso
> > <mbspeed at maxboostracing.com>wrote:
> > 
> > > I beg to differ.  The "real" quattro's
> > have individually lockable
> > > differentials for the center and rear.  They may seem
> > primitive, but they
> > > sure whoop Torsen's.
> > >
> > > Not to mention, the Torsen-equipped cars have
> > electronics that cut out the
> > > lock-up feature over a certain speed.  Just when
> > they're starting to get
> > > fun, the lock-up is disabled.  Boo!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark R wrote:
> > >
> > >   Especially if you have something like 19 inch summer
> > tires.....! But the TT
> > > doesn't have 'real' quattro
> > > anyways, right? ;-)
> > >
> > > Dan D
> > > '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> > > Central NJ USA
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan hit the nail on the head!  I just got back from
> > instructing at yet
> > > another winter driving school (NAAC) and good tires
> > are of course the number
> > > one thing to have for the conditions.  But
> > "real" Quattro (with a torsen
> > > center diff) is head and shoulders above anything
> > else, ESPECIALLY Haldex
> > > based systems.
> > >
> > > Subaru and BMW get is mostly right, but there's
> > something about real Quattro
> > > that is absoluitely tops.  And the control/fun of the
> > Torsen systems go from
> > > understeer to subtle oversteer at just the right
> > moment (when the fronts
> > > hook up)....  gotta love it!
> > >
> > > Mark Rosenkrantz (who would take Haldex over FWD or
> > RWD, but any other AWD
> > > system over Haldex). 
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