Need advice on a 2000 A6 4.2

[Anthony Ander]

Hello Genlemen,

Thank you all for the super quick replies and advice.  I also replied to
you off-list.

Meanwhile, a buddy with a Carcheck account returned the verdict on
the car:

01/28/2003
PACIFIC SW REGION Auto Auction  AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS FRAME DAMAGE

Btw, it is on CL: http://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/1390958538.html

I guess I will have to pass on this one.
Thanks again for the willingness to help and advise.

Tony

>> Hello Gentlemen,
>>
>> Long time listener - great list!
>>
>> I need advice on a 2000 A6, 4.2L (quattro) with just over 100k mile.
>> Very clean Colorado car; owner said it need the 106k mile engine
>> belt change.
>>
>> Do you guys have any recommendations on what to look for, expected
>> issues with this MY car at this mileage.
>>
>> I have recently sold my 1990 A80Q 2.3L, manual, with 200k miles and
>> have been very happy with that ownership.
>>
>> Any inputs, suggestions, warnings MUCH appreciated!
>> Also, what would be a fair price to offer?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Tony Ander, Palmer Lake, CO.
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:47:46 -0400
> From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re. Loose ball bearings by flywheel?
> To: <xthejuicex at gmail.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com, '200q20V mailing list'
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> Mike,
>
> It sounds like you had the same thing happen as I had a few years back.
> Essentially the
> clutch release bearing (aka throwaout bearing) disintegrated.  The
> shrapnel took out one
> or more pins with it.  After the tow home, I took the opportunity
> presented to replace
> clutch, disk, pressure plate, resurface flywheel, and slave cylinder,
> among assundry
> other cleanup and improvement tasks.  I decided to pull the engine, since
> there were
> more "opportunities" by doing it this way.  Those included, new turbo,
> wiring cleanup,
> and a good engine going over - timing belt, etc.
>
> Had the car needed suspension work that I had already completed, I would
> have likely
> dropped the trans instead.  Six one way - half dozen the other.
>
> Have fun and address all the things now you don't want to go back and do
> later, and then
> some for good measure.
>
> Ben
>
> [Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:43:33 -0400
> From: Mike <xthejuicex at gmail.com>
> Subject: Loose ball bearings by flywheel?
> To: 200q20v at audifans.com
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> Hey everyone. I was checking out to see if the cps pin on my flywheel was
> broken and
> when I pulled out the starter to look through the hole at the flywheel,
> these small
> metal balls came out. They had grease on them and when I poked around
> inside i could see
> and feel some small sharp pieces of metal.
> Did some bearing explode or something? Here is a pic of the balls and are
> next to a
> lighter for reference. http://i38.tinypic.com/2yum6md.jpg . BTW the car
> won't start but
> would crank over and get fuel.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike]
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:55:03 -0400
> From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Loose ball bearings by flywheel?
> To: <auditony at gmail.com>,	"'200q20V mailing list'"
> 	<200q20v at audifans.com>,	<quattro at audifans.com>
> Cc: xthejuicex at gmail.com
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> Those are definitely ball bearings from the clutch release bearing!
>
> Mine did make a lot of noise, and even noticed some clutch issues prior to
> the bearing
> exploding and I had been deferring this maintenance - bad boy!  But really
> I was getting
> ready to do the job, and the disintegrated bearing, etc. got me to it a
> little quicker.
>
> You will need to have new pin(s) installed in the flywheel, or simply
> replace it.
>
> Ben
>
> [From: Tony Hoffman <auditony at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Loose ball bearings by flywheel?
> To: Mike <xthejuicex at gmail.com>
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
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> Hmm, that's a bit of a stumper. They look like the input shaft bearings,
> but you would
> have definately heard the noise before it fell apart like that. And, I
> seem to recall
> them being bigger than that.
>
> Tony Hoffman
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Mike <xthejuicex at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey everyone. I was checking out to see if the cps pin on my flywheel
>> was broken and
> when I pulled out the starter to look through the hole at the flywheel,
> these small
> metal balls came out. They had grease on
>> them and when I poked around inside i could see and feel some small
>> sharp pieces of
> metal.
>> Did some bearing explode or something? Here is a pic of the balls and
>> are next to a
> lighter for reference.
>> http://i38.tinypic.com/2yum6md.jpg . BTW the car won't start but would
>> crank over and
> get fuel.]
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:13:59 -0400
> From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Loose ball bearings by flywheel?
> To: <xthejuicex at gmail.com>,	"'200q20V mailing list'"
> 	<200q20v at audifans.com>,	<quattro at audifans.com>
> Cc: vegener at post7.tele.dk
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> Mike,
>
> You need new throuwout/clutch release (Thrust) bearing.  Parts being cheap
> compared to
> labor, you should do it all:
> Clutch Disk;  Pressure Plate; Flywheel - assess and R/R as needed with new
> pin(s);
> release bearing bushing/slider; throwout bearing yoke ( a hole starts to
> machine in
> these; clutch slave cylinder ( and probably master is good to do to, but
> can do later);
> drain and refill transmission oil; any other clutch wear parts and always
> replace those
> fasteners - flywheel and pressure plate  bolts.
>
> The job is not cheap - parts are probably in order of $400-500 and the
> labor ranges to
> dealer cost around $900.  I would do it myself, or find some enthustiast
> to do it right
> and pay to have done right.  Many shops will do minimum necessary, so
> almost better to
> find a reputable private individual who will be methodical, clean and
> assess other jobs
> to be done while in there.
>
> It may seem like a lot and the false economics IMO is to say it isn't
> worht it since the
> book valu on the car isn't always that high.  However, see how lmuch
> service the
> original got. Also by rolling jobs together, you may save money in the
> long run.
>
> If you can afford upgrades now is the time - do suspension; shocks,
> bushings, etc. if
> pulling the trans, or replace turbo lines, engine mounts, timing belt if
> pulling engine
> from front.  I generally let the "other things" help dictate  which way to
> proceed,
> since either way is a big expensive PITA.
>
> Also, you may use logic to buy another car with the money taken to do
> these repairs, but
> how do you know that it won't happen on that car.   If you do decide to
> ditch the car,
> you know the engine is worth over $2K - but someone still has to pull it.
> Don't fall
> victim to false economics - we've had enough of that lately!
>
> Case in point - My avant had the bearing let go at 119k which is pretty
> low compared to
> several others I have with over 200K on the clock and had not needed a
> clutch yet.  So
> you just don't know the day or the hour;-}
>
> YMMV!
>
> Ben
>
>
> [Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:15:09 -0400
> From: Mike <xthejuicex at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Loose ball bearings by flywheel?
> To: Claus Vegener <vegener at post7.tele.dk>
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Message-ID:
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> Thanks for all the ideas. Does this mean that I will need a new clutch or
> flywheel? Also, how hard is that to change by yourself as I can't afford
> to
> take it to a dealer.
>
> -Mike]
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:48:46 -0700
> From: John Gourley <azaudi at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: 91 100 NF engine...stalls when hot
> To: quattro at audifans.com
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> *part of my original post*
>
> *91 100 FWD NF engine with CIS-E III stalls at times when hot, especially
> when 100 degrees or higher ambient temp*.* won't restart until cooled
> down*
> .....
>
>
> I really appreciate all the ideas and suggestions from you guys.  The
> consensus seems to be leaning towards the hall sender.
> A note to Kneale, when I said the car doesn't have the crank and cam
> sensors, I will admit I was thinking of the type with the flywheel pins
> and
> wired sensors to give a reading...you are right!
> I might add I have tried a used complete distributor from an identical 91
> 100 parts car I have and I have had the stalling with both
> distributors.......BUT, again....both used distributors and the parts car
> did have a running problem.(I got it as a non-running car).....so swapping
> distributors in this case may mean nothing.
> On the suggestion about watching the tach when the stalling happens...yes,
> I
> have watched the tach (neglected to mention that before) and when the car
> first starts to cut out and stall, the tach does not waver at all...it
> continues reading the normal rpm, without fluctuation, until the dash
> lights
> come on and the engine is off
>
> also had someone suggest vapor lock
>
> I haven't tried unplugging the oxy sensor and seeing if it will start
>
>
> Often when the car stalls I am by myself so no one to crank the engine and
> check for spark. When it happened yesterday, the wife was with me but
> didn't
> think about checking for spark. Guess my focus was getting her to a
> meeting
> on time, wasn't thinking about diagnosing so much as getting home!
>
> So the hall sender sounds like a good place to put extra
> attention..........sure hate this intermittent stuff, sure a lot easier to
> check an electrical problem if it is permanent...BUT electrics don't seem
> to
> work that way!
>
> Thanks again for the ideas from all of you...........appreciate it
>
>
> John Gourley
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:14:07 -0400
> From: Huw Powell <audi at humanspeakers.com>
> Subject: Re: 91 100 NF engine...stalls when hot
> To: John Gourley <azaudi at gmail.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
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>> On the suggestion about watching the tach when the stalling
>> happens...yes, I
>> have watched the tach (neglected to mention that before) and when the
>> car
>> first starts to cut out and stall, the tach does not waver at all...it
>> continues reading the normal rpm, without fluctuation, until the dash
>> lights
>> come on and the engine is off
>
> It's probably not the Hall sender then, the tach is triggered from the
> coil, which depends on the Hall sender signaling the ignition ECU to
> tell it when to fire.
>
> Hard to imagine how vapor lock could occur while running, btw.
>
> --
> Huw Powell
>
> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi
>
> http://www.humanthoughts.org/
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:07:59 -0600
> From: Dave Fain <kf21857 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Need advice on a 2000 A6 4.2
> To: quattro at audifans.com, aander at newsignal.com
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> Expect the plastic clips that hold the window lift cables to the glass to
> break eventually.  I replaced the ones on the passenger side right after I
> bought the car 2 years ago and one of the ones on the driver's side is
> broken now.  They are not expensive and you can replace them yourself. And
> get that timing belt looked at ASAP, if it breaks you are screwed.
> I had a 90Q20V prior to buying the A6.  I love the A6 but it feels like a
> Buick compared to the 90Q.
> Dave
> 2000 A6 2.7T
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:39:22 -0600 (MDT)
> From: "Anthony Ander" <aander at newsignal.com>
> Subject:
> To: quattro at audifans.com
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> Hello Gentlemen,
>
> Long time listener - great list!
>
> I need advice on a 2000 A6, 4.2L (quattro) with just over 100k mile.
> Very clean Colorado car; owner said it need the 106k mile engine
> belt change.
>
> Do you guys have any recommendations on what to look for, expected
> issues with this MY car at this mileage.
>
> I have recently sold my 1990 A80Q 2.3L, manual, with 200k miles and
> have been very happy with that ownership.
>
> Any inputs, suggestions, warnings MUCH appreciated!
> Also, what would be a fair price to offer?
>
> Thank you,
> Tony Ander, Palmer Lake, CO.
>
>
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