quattro Digest, Vol 84, Issue 4
Bud Taylor
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Sun Oct 3 13:30:59 PDT 2010
2004 s4 with bad clutch and 3rd gear synchro has anyone else had premature failures 34k miles never tracked or driven hard
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> 1. Fuel Distributor (Bill Green)
> 2. Tie rod puller (Al)
> 3. RE: Tie rod puller (John Lagnese)
> 4. Re: No Start ABY/AAN engine - Problem Found? (Huw Powell)
> 5. Re: [s-cars] No Start ABY/AAN engine - Problem Found?
> (Joshua Van Tol)
> 6. Re: Tie rod puller (Al)
> 7. Re: Fuel Distributor (John Cody Forbes)
> 8. Re: [s-cars] No Start ABY/AAN engine - Problem Found?
> (John Cody Forbes)
> 9. Re: [s-cars] No Start ABY/AAN engine - Problem Found? (Huw Powell)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:44:13 -0400
> From: "Bill Green" <wgreen56 at tampabay.rr.com>
> Subject: Fuel Distributor
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
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> In general what are the symptoms of a bad fuel distributor on a CIS-E
> system?
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:36:16 -1000
> From: "Al" <streichea001 at hawaii.rr.com>
> Subject: Tie rod puller
> To: <Quattro at audifans.com>
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> ?I need to pull the tie rod to replace my strut cartridge, however the tie rod end pullers that I can find at FLAPS are too narrow.
> Those only have a 2? opening max.
>
> Is there a special tool needed or does anyone know what tool will work. I am searching the internet for tool wide enough to fit the 2.392 or 60 mm opening.
>
>
>
> ?90 80 non-Q
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>
> Thanks
> Al
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 18:11:58 -0400
> From: "John Lagnese" <jlagnese at massed.net>
> Subject: RE: Tie rod puller
> To: "'Al'" <streichea001 at hawaii.rr.com>, <Quattro at audifans.com>
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> I have this and it has served me very well for years.
> John
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/tie-rod-end-removal-tool/p2004158.jcwx?filterid=j1
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On
> Behalf Of Al
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: Quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Tie rod puller
>
> I need to pull the tie rod to replace my strut cartridge, however the tie
> rod end pullers that I can find at FLAPS are too narrow.
> Those only have a 2" opening max.
>
> Is there a special tool needed or does anyone know what tool will work. I am
> searching the internet for tool wide enough to fit the 2.392 or 60 mm
> opening.
>
>
>
> '90 80 non-Q
>
>
> Thanks
> Al
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 18:22:56 -0400
> From: Huw Powell <audi at humanspeakers.com>
> Subject: Re: No Start ABY/AAN engine - Problem Found?
> To: John Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
> Cc: Ben Swann <benswann at verizon.net>, "<quattro at audifans.com>"
> <quattro at audifans.com>, "<s-car-list at audifans.com>"
> <s-car-list at audifans.com>, "<chris.miller at bqconsultants.com>"
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>> Second, you do not want the pins on the cam. The timing belt has slop
>> and the valve springs cause the cam to bounce back and forth in this
>> slop. This will cause an ignition timing variance. Because it's on
>> the cam that variance will be doubled. You do not want your ignition
>> timing bouncing around +\- 10 degrees ;-).
>
> So how come cam-driven distributor spark control systems don't seem to
> do that?
>
> Not saying they are rock-solid, but they sure don't bounce around that much.
>
> --
> Huw Powell
>
> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi
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> http://www.humanthoughts.org/
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 20:17:03 -0400
> From: Joshua Van Tol <josh at spiny.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] No Start ABY/AAN engine - Problem Found?
> To: audi at humanspeakers.com
> Cc: Ben Swann <benswann at verizon.net>,
> "<chris.miller at bqconsultants.com>" <chris.miller at bqconsultants.com>,
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> "<quattro at audifans.com>" <quattro at audifans.com>
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> They do bounce around quite a bit. +/- 10 degrees was overstating it a bit,
> but +/- 2 degrees isn't uncommon.
>
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Huw Powell <audi at humanspeakers.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Second, you do not want the pins on the cam. The timing belt has slop
>>> and the valve springs cause the cam to bounce back and forth in this
>>> slop. This will cause an ignition timing variance. Because it's on
>>> the cam that variance will be doubled. You do not want your ignition
>>> timing bouncing around +\- 10 degrees ;-).
>>
>> So how come cam-driven distributor spark control systems don't seem to
>> do that?
>>
>> Not saying they are rock-solid, but they sure don't bounce around that
>> much.
>>
>> --
>> Huw Powell
>>
>> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi
>>
>> http://www.humanthoughts.org/
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:09:07 -1000
> From: "Al" <bournej at hawaii.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Tie rod puller
> To: "John Lagnese" <jlagnese at massed.net>, "'Al'"
> <streichea001 at hawaii.rr.com>, <Quattro at audifans.com>
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> ?Thanks John. Looks like a good part, however I ran it on JCW site and they
> want
> $28.00 shipping. The joys of living in Hawaii, everyone wants to rip you off
> on shipping.
>
> The quest begins.
>
> al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Lagnese
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:11 PM
> To: 'Al' ; Quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: Tie rod puller
>
> I have this and it has served me very well for years.
> John
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/tie-rod-end-removal-tool/p2004158.jcwx?filterid=j1
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On
> Behalf Of Al
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: Quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Tie rod puller
>
> I need to pull the tie rod to replace my strut cartridge, however the tie
> rod end pullers that I can find at FLAPS are too narrow.
> Those only have a 2" opening max.
>
> Is there a special tool needed or does anyone know what tool will work. I am
> searching the internet for tool wide enough to fit the 2.392 or 60 mm
> opening.
>
>
>
> '90 80 non-Q
>
>
> Thanks
> Al
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:25:31 -0400
> From: John Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
> Subject: Re: Fuel Distributor
> To: Bill Green <wgreen56 at tampabay.rr.com>
> Cc: "<quattro at audifans.com>" <quattro at audifans.com>
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> I've personally never seen a bad fuel distributor. There's not much inside that can fail. The DPR mounted to it sure, but not the distributor itself.
>
> -Cody (mobile)
>
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 4:44 PM, "Bill Green" <wgreen56 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> In general what are the symptoms of a bad fuel distributor on a CIS-E
>> system?
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:37:07 -0400
> From: John Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] No Start ABY/AAN engine - Problem Found?
> To: Ben Swann <benswann at verizon.net>
> Cc: "<quattro at audifans.com>" <quattro at audifans.com>,
> "<s-car-list at audifans.com>" <s-car-list at audifans.com>,
> "<chris.miller at bqconsultants.com>" <chris.miller at bqconsultants.com>,
> "<qshipq at aol.com>" <qshipq at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <EF98334F-A8A1-4AB1-95DE-94DC7C1EA1BE at 5000tq.com>
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> Inline replies....
>
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 4:02 PM, "Ben Swann" <benswann at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Scott, All,
>>
>> I am considering doing this - anything beats pulling the trans out again. So I have a few questions and other possible solutions to run by you.
>>
>> First, on the reference pin for the 3B flywheel - looks like I need to match the exact point to get the pin in order for timing to be dead on within a degree of rotation or so I understand that this is a critical location with no tolerance for error - correct?
>
> Correct, a degree at worst.
>
>>
>> At first measure using spare 3B flywheel aligned on top of original AAN flywheel as reference, the new pin would need to be located in the same spot as the pin that locates the pressure plate. I presume this is hardened steel and I'd be drilling through the locating pin and through the hole the pressure plate already has drilled. Where exactly did you locate the pin when you did yours? Any clues that I can see from behind the flywheel? Did you in fact end up drilling through the orignal locating pin?
>>
>> Can I use a good grade 8mm stud, drill and tap and screw the bolt/stud in, or is a pin that much better? I just feel a threaded stud with red locktit would be more secure than a roll pin. When you say 11mm - is that the diameter of the pin or you mean the amount of pin protruding from the flywheel surface?
>
> Diameter of the pin should be 3mm IIRC, factory protrusion from the flywheel is 11mm IIRC and 12.5 is as much as you can go before it hits the block. A 8mm bolt will have two problems that I can think of. One is that not being hardened AND having much more mass will cause the bolt to bend outward under the centrifugal force. Also the extra mass will throw the flywheel out of balance much more than a small pin. If installed properly (drilled underside on a mill and them teamed to final size) the pins are very difficult to remove. I've just been here with my COP system using 5 dowel pins on my black Audi.
>
>>
>
> -Cody (mobile)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 22:09:30 -0400
> From: Huw Powell <audi at humanspeakers.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] No Start ABY/AAN engine - Problem Found?
> To: Joshua Van Tol <josh at spiny.com>
> Cc: Ben Swann <benswann at verizon.net>,
> "<chris.miller at bqconsultants.com>" <chris.miller at bqconsultants.com>,
> "<s-car-list at audifans.com>" <s-car-list at audifans.com>,
> "<quattro at audifans.com>" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <4CA7E5DA.4080104 at humanspeakers.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2010 8:17 PM, Joshua Van Tol wrote:
>> They do bounce around quite a bit. +/- 10 degrees was overstating it a
>> bit, but +/- 2 degrees isn't uncommon.
>
> I'll buy that. And I also understand that on these turbo engines Audi
> wanted really precise control of ignition so they could push the advance
> safely.
>
> My old F250 used to jump all over the place, by the way. Timing was
> more like "well, it's sort of close, and it runs" rather than "6 degrees
> BTDC".
>
>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Huw Powell <audi at humanspeakers.com
>> <mailto:audi at humanspeakers.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Second, you do not want the pins on the cam. The timing belt has slop
>>> and the valve springs cause the cam to bounce back and forth in this
>>> slop. This will cause an ignition timing variance. Because it's on
>>> the cam that variance will be doubled. You do not want your ignition
>>> timing bouncing around +\- 10 degrees ;-).
>>
>> So how come cam-driven distributor spark control systems don't seem to
>> do that?
>>
>> Not saying they are rock-solid, but they sure don't bounce around
>> that much.
>>
>> --
>> Huw Powell
>>
>> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi
>>
>> http://www.humanthoughts.org/
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
> --
> Huw Powell
>
> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi
>
> http://www.humanthoughts.org/
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