Charcoal Canister Delete?

[Cody Forbes]

Double checking on this, currently it is actually not legal to sell a PZEV in most states. In fact it is only legal for sale in nine states and only really sold in five. This is because the EPA does not recognize PZEV as existing, it's is a California only thing that was adopted by four other states and the EPA allows sale by dealers that are within a certain distance of the border of those states.

http://www.autoobserver.com/2007/09/nations-cleanest-gasoline-cars-are-not-available-to-all.html

-Cody Forbes

On Jun 11, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Mark Rosenkrantz <speedracer.mark at gmail.com> wrote:

> You see them all of the time... I think all VWs are pzev..... At least my wife's 2009 2.5 SE is... And there is no indication of it (such as emblem, etc.).  I suspect the replacement, a 2012 GLi (on order) will also be pzev.
> 
> Mark Rosenkrantz
> Typos sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 11, 2012, at 1:33 PM, cody at 5000tq.com wrote:
> 
>> Here in NC I have only ever seen one PZEV vehicle in the shop. I suspect I've seen many on the road (aren't all Prius's'sss' (Prii?) PZEV?) and didn't know it.
>> 
>> -Cody
>> 
>> 
>> Quoting "speedracer.mark at gmail.com" <speedracer.mark at gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> They are separate, and PZEV is common in all states, including here in NY.
>>> Generally speaking, you no longer find "49 state cars," for a variety of
>>> reasons.
>>> Theoretically, the carbon canister can act also as a spark arrestor, saving
>>> on fire hazards. If you overfill your fuel system, they can also fill up
>>> (really hard to do, but theoretically possible),  creating a fire hazard or
>>> an unmetered source of raw fuel into the engine.
>>> 
>>> BTW, I bet the firewall on your Cessna 150 has one, albeit unpressurized and
>>> open to atmosphere.
>>> 
>>> Mark Rosenkrantz
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>> 
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Mike Arman <Armanmik at earthlink.net>
>>> To: quattro at audifans.com, cody at 5000tq.com
>>> Sent: Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:17:20 EDT
>>> Subject: Charcoal Canister Delete?
>>> 
>>>> <cody at 5000tq.com>
>>> <quattro at audifans.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Charcoal Canister Delete?
>>> 
>>> <snip>
>>> 
>>> This is why P-ZEV emission standard
>>>> vehicles (primarily seen in California) have a sealed fuel tank with the
>>>> pump and the fuel filter locked inside forever - the fuel vapors released
>>>> during a fuel filter or fuel pump change pollute more than what's coming
>>> out
>>>> of the exhaust pipe.
>>>> 
>>>> -Cody
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cody,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Does this mean if the pump goes bad or the filter gets clogged, you have to
>>> buy the *whole* sealed
>>> gas tank assembly with new pump/filter/etc.? And pay for R&R the tank (which
>>> is tucked and armored
>>> way up above the exhaust system and rear suspension) instead of just the
>>> pump or filter? and
>>> probably treat the removed parts as toxic waste to be hauled off by guys in
>>> moon suits (for $$$$$$
>>> per gas tank) to be disposed of in some "environmentally benign" (more
>>> $$$$$$$$$$$) approved way?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am I reading this wrong or are those guys in CA nuts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mike Arman
>>> 90V8Q
>>> 
>>> 
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