PZEV "controversy"

[Mark Rosenkrantz]

NY (a PZEV state), Binghamton area.

Just curious, as I've been told that in at least some cases, a "PZEV" car
and a NON-pzev car are mechanically identical.  I've also heard what I
found with the Subaru link.... the only changes are the catalytic converter
and ECU tuning, but I've never heard the EVAP system was changed in any
vehicle to make it PZEV compliant.  Just don't let my curiosity make this
ending up a Torsen thread.  =)

Clearly, there are different manufacturers out there, and evolution has
happened with time.  So I was trying to use VAG cars to compare.

Mark Rosenkrantz

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com> wrote:

> What state are you in? (sorry if I missed it)
>
> -Cody Forbes
>
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Mark Rosenkrantz <speedracer.mark at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I took delivery of a 2012 VW Jetta GLi Autobahn with Navigation, 6 speed
> > manual last week, for the wife.  I can confirm it is a PZEV, and the
> > sticker under the hood states "conforms to...."
> >
> > A little browsing found this:
> > http://drive2.subaru.com/Fall08/Fall08_whatmakes.htm
> >
> > From fall of 2008, Subaru claims it's PZEV vehicles are available in
> > non-PZEV states, as an option.
> > In other words, the EPA didn't have a PZEV category, so as long as the
> > vehicle fits into another EPA category (they all do), it's LEGAL to sell
> a
> > "PZEV" vehicle in any state a long as they meet all other regulations
> (they
> > all do).  It's just that the manufacturer doesn't get any "credits" for
> > selling a PZEV vehicle in a "non-PZEV" state.  It's worth noting the
> > careful wording on the underhood stickers as "conforms to" the california
> > PZEV requirements.  The window (Monroney) sticker can then be tailored,
> > state-to-state.
> >
> > But in PZEV states, the manufacturers need to sell a certain percentage
> of
> > PZEV cars in the fleet every year to even be able to do business in the
> > state.  I've read, and I don't know if this is true, that running a
> riding
> > lawnmower for a 1 acre lawn mowing session (1-2 gallons?) puts out more
> > pollutants than 2000 miles in a PZEV car.  I've also read that in a high
> > smog area, tailpipe emmission of a PZEV are often cleaner than the
> > surrounding air.  Probably just hype, but still impressive if even
> > semi-true.
> >
> > Anyone in a non-PZEV state want to head to a VW dealer and look under the
> > hood for PZEV stickers on a Jetta or Golf 2.5L as well as a GLi or GTi
> with
> > the 2.0 TSI engine?  If so, I can send you pictures of my car's stickers
> > and thier locations.
> >
> > Mark Rosenkrantz
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