20v Chump Car?!

David Glubrecht daveglu at hotmail.com
Mon Nov 19 22:19:05 PST 2012 

Going by ChumpCar rules (which are very different than Lemons) that motor is going to be a minimum add of $550 to the racing value.
I think ChumpCar also typically races harder than Lemons and that will further hurt heating and brake issues.

It is a cool project and I have seen their page on the build. 

Plus that and even AUDI decided that FWD was faster than AWD.
I will be at the T-hill 25 watching it race
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  David Glubrecht
  

> From: cody at 5000tq.com
> Subject: Re: 20v Chump Car?!
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:40:13 -0500
> To: jungle at hickorytech.net
> CC: quattro at audifans.com
> 
> My buddies A8 4.2 V8 powered 2700lb 4000q LeMons car would beg to differ ;-). Results have been hampered by overheating brakes and some bad luck, but the car is FAST.
> 
> -Cody Forbes (mobile)
> 
> On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:03 PM, "Aaron Jongbloedt" <jungle at hickorytech.net> wrote:
> 
> > I agree with David G & Tony H....I have been a number both Chump & Lemons
> > races.  Here in the Midwest, competition is stiffer, we end up going up
> > against a lot of BMW E30's and E36's.  
> > 
> > IHMO an audi is not a good choice; the weight balance isn't very good, more
> > parts to fail, and there is too much mass and drive train loss in a Quattro.
> > Not trying to talk you out of it, just saying.  As previously mentioned,
> > some key ingredients to being successful is a car that at least one person
> > is intimately familiar with, lots of spares, fix the weak points before the
> > race, do anal bastage maintenance, before the race.  A car that is easy to
> > work on, super reliable, and good drivers who are consistent, good in
> > traffic and don't drive so aggressively they break the car.
> > 
> > Both cars I ran both are ABA powered, for ChumpCar in the Midwest they only
> > a Top 10 car, but will never podium.  The ABA is a wonderful motor, it just
> > needs "help" to go fast.
> > 
> > If you want a more real/serious race car experience go Chump, if you are
> > more interested in having a laugh and shenanigans go w/ Lemons.   Costs add
> > up quickly; you will be looking at a minimum of $500 just for cage metal,
> > lots of stuff adds up, race car gas, tow vehicle gas, trailer maintence/use,
> > safety gear, lodging, ect, ect, ect.  
> > 
> > David, we need to talk again about ABA stuff (see my blog for two odd
> > failures we had this year.
> > 
> > I have photos of my various chump car (and other stuff) on my blog and on
> > face book (search JAB Motorsport)
> > 
> > Feel free to ask more questions.  Apparently there is a lot of experience on
> > this email list, that can save you heart ache and $.
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > Aaron Jongbloedt  "YoungBlood"
> > http://junglemotorsports.blogspot.com       
> > ==============================
> > careful of your thoughts--they become words
> > careful of your words--they become actions
> > careful of you actions--they become habits
> > careful of you habits--they become your character
> > ==============================
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On
> > Behalf Of David Glubrecht
> > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:22 AM
> > To: qforsail at yahoo.com; quattro at audifans.com
> > Subject: RE: 20v Chump Car?!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  David Glubrecht
> > 
> > 
> > I run a lot of Chump Car races and they are VERY different from Lemons.  
> > They want you to show that you can buy a 10 running examples of your car for
> > less than $500.  It is a BS system, but for the most part it works.
> > Still going to be your problem.  With the rarity of these and most people
> > willing to pay over $500 for a intact engine, showing the price point will
> > be nearly impossible without fraud.
> > 
> > I will buy it $501, I am close enough.
> > 
> > Many engines are blown in racing and what are you going to do with a car you
> > spent a lot of money prepping and caging it when you blow it?
> > This is our team http://www.facebook.com/SquirrelsOfFury?ref=ts&fref=ts
> > Chump Car is GREAT!!!!   It is usually very close racing and lots of action,
> > DO IT!    But first race is going to be expensive, do you have committed
> > teammates?  Ones that have or will put up $1000. to get going?  As others
> > have said, first race will likely run ~$5,000.00.  Additional races can be a
> > bit cheaper, but not much.    
> > It can be done for less, as some have brought a chevette and drove it to the
> > track.  They blew an engine, and swapped it just in time to drive it home on
> > their first race.
> > 
> > Best to choose something that you can get replacement engines/transmissions,
> > etc cheap.
> > The last race in Spokane VW (ABA) 2.0l engines were in all 3 podium cars.  
> > 
> > Another option is to buy a seat on a team, usually a good deal, but do
> > research.
> > 
> > I am looking for a FWD ~84 coupe shell to put all the stuff from our S1
> > tribute car in.  
> > It was wrecked beyond repair at the last race.   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> Subject: 20v Chump Car?!
> >> From: qforsail at yahoo.com
> >> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:56:20 -0700
> >> To: quattro at audifans.com
> >> 
> >> So this may be considered sacrilege.  I have a bone stock '91 200q that
> > has been residing in the garage for a couple years with maddening electrical
> > issues not at all uncommon with the type. After spending way too many hours
> > and far too much money chasing these gremlins, I've surrendered.  The car
> > has 250kmi, and runs, rides, and shifts nicely.
> >> 
> >> I met my best friends cousin a little while back, and he's all agog about
> > this chump car racing. Check out www.Chumpcar.com  It's an endurance series
> > designed for newbies on a budget.  The car cannot have a market value over
> > $500, and can have no performance modifications.  The nearest race is a 24
> > hour even in Spokane next summer.
> >> 
> >> Over a few beers, a couple gear head buddies and have come to the
> > conclusion that entering the 24 hour would be a fitting end to the '91.
> > Other than the clutch and a timing belt that's would require replacing, I
> > think it would have a good chance of finishing.  If we had an extra set of
> > strut assemblies, we could replace a failed wheel bearing or blown strut
> > cartridge fairly quickly. Stripped of all the electric motors, glass, and
> > luxury bits, it would be significantly lightened.  Last summers race was won
> > by a Golf. My friends cousin was in the running with a 280ZX, and they
> > routinely hit 130 mph on the straight.
> >> 
> >> We're still discussing the budget and feasibility.  I have a welder with a
> > tubing bender interested for the roll cage.  The rules aren't too far out of
> > the realm of possibility.  I have no further interest in getting this 20v
> > beast back on the road, and doubt anyone is nuts enough to buy it so I'm
> > thinking why the hell not?
> >> 
> >> Thoughts?
> >> 
> >> 
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