20v Chump Car?!

Cody Forbes cody at 5000tq.com
Tue Nov 20 04:57:43 PST 2012 

I think it's obvious that with 305 wide slicks you can put 360hp through two tires without issue. And of course there's all of those really slow corners at The Ring to accelerate out of ;-). With 215 wide street tires any two wheel drive system would be impossible to get out of corners anywhere close to a Quattro.

-Cody Forbes (mobile)

On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:19 AM, David Glubrecht <daveglu at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Going by ChumpCar rules (which are very different than Lemons) that motor is going to be a minimum add of $550 to the racing value.
> I think ChumpCar also typically races harder than Lemons and that will further hurt heating and brake issues.
> 
> It is a cool project and I have seen their page on the build. 
> 
> Plus that and even AUDI decided that FWD was faster than AWD.
> I will be at the T-hill 25 watching it race
> http://jalopnik.com/5958856/this-is-audis-insane-front+wheel-drive-tt+rs-racecar?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
> 
> David Glubrecht 
> 
> > From: cody at 5000tq.com
> > Subject: Re: 20v Chump Car?!
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:40:13 -0500
> > To: jungle at hickorytech.net
> > CC: quattro at audifans.com
> > 
> > My buddies A8 4.2 V8 powered 2700lb 4000q LeMons car would beg to differ ;-). Results have been hampered by overheating brakes and some bad luck, but the car is FAST.
> > 
> > -Cody Forbes (mobile)
> > 
> > On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:03 PM, "Aaron Jongbloedt" <jungle at hickorytech.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > I agree with David G & Tony H....I have been a number both Chump & Lemons
> > > races. Here in the Midwest, competition is stiffer, we end up going up
> > > against a lot of BMW E30's and E36's. 
> > > 
> > > IHMO an audi is not a good choice; the weight balance isn't very good, more
> > > parts to fail, and there is too much mass and drive train loss in a Quattro.
> > > Not trying to talk you out of it, just saying. As previously mentioned,
> > > some key ingredients to being successful is a car that at least one person
> > > is intimately familiar with, lots of spares, fix the weak points before the
> > > race, do anal bastage maintenance, before the race. A car that is easy to
> > > work on, super reliable, and good drivers who are consistent, good in
> > > traffic and don't drive so aggressively they break the car.
> > > 
> > > Both cars I ran both are ABA powered, for ChumpCar in the Midwest they only
> > > a Top 10 car, but will never podium. The ABA is a wonderful motor, it just
> > > needs "help" to go fast.
> > > 
> > > If you want a more real/serious race car experience go Chump, if you are
> > > more interested in having a laugh and shenanigans go w/ Lemons. Costs add
> > > up quickly; you will be looking at a minimum of $500 just for cage metal,
> > > lots of stuff adds up, race car gas, tow vehicle gas, trailer maintence/use,
> > > safety gear, lodging, ect, ect, ect. 
> > > 
> > > David, we need to talk again about ABA stuff (see my blog for two odd
> > > failures we had this year.
> > > 
> > > I have photos of my various chump car (and other stuff) on my blog and on
> > > face book (search JAB Motorsport)
> > > 
> > > Feel free to ask more questions. Apparently there is a lot of experience on
> > > this email list, that can save you heart ache and $.
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Aaron Jongbloedt "YoungBlood"
> > > http://junglemotorsports.blogspot.com       
> > > ==============================
> > > careful of your thoughts--they become words
> > > careful of your words--they become actions
> > > careful of you actions--they become habits
> > > careful of you habits--they become your character
> > > ==============================
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On
> > > Behalf Of David Glubrecht
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:22 AM
> > > To: qforsail at yahoo.com; quattro at audifans.com
> > > Subject: RE: 20v Chump Car?!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > David Glubrecht
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I run a lot of Chump Car races and they are VERY different from Lemons. 
> > > They want you to show that you can buy a 10 running examples of your car for
> > > less than $500. It is a BS system, but for the most part it works.
> > > Still going to be your problem. With the rarity of these and most people
> > > willing to pay over $500 for a intact engine, showing the price point will
> > > be nearly impossible without fraud.
> > > 
> > > I will buy it $501, I am close enough.
> > > 
> > > Many engines are blown in racing and what are you going to do with a car you
> > > spent a lot of money prepping and caging it when you blow it?
> > > This is our team http://www.facebook.com/SquirrelsOfFury?ref=ts&fref=ts
> > > Chump Car is GREAT!!!! It is usually very close racing and lots of action,
> > > DO IT! But first race is going to be expensive, do you have committed
> > > teammates? Ones that have or will put up $1000. to get going? As others
> > > have said, first race will likely run ~$5,000.00. Additional races can be a
> > > bit cheaper, but not much. 
> > > It can be done for less, as some have brought a chevette and drove it to the
> > > track. They blew an engine, and swapped it just in time to drive it home on
> > > their first race.
> > > 
> > > Best to choose something that you can get replacement engines/transmissions,
> > > etc cheap.
> > > The last race in Spokane VW (ABA) 2.0l engines were in all 3 podium cars. 
> > > 
> > > Another option is to buy a seat on a team, usually a good deal, but do
> > > research.
> > > 
> > > I am looking for a FWD ~84 coupe shell to put all the stuff from our S1
> > > tribute car in. 
> > > It was wrecked beyond repair at the last race. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> Subject: 20v Chump Car?!
> > >> From: qforsail at yahoo.com
> > >> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:56:20 -0700
> > >> To: quattro at audifans.com
> > >> 
> > >> So this may be considered sacrilege. I have a bone stock '91 200q that
> > > has been residing in the garage for a couple years with maddening electrical
> > > issues not at all uncommon with the type. After spending way too many hours
> > > and far too much money chasing these gremlins, I've surrendered. The car
> > > has 250kmi, and runs, rides, and shifts nicely.
> > >> 
> > >> I met my best friends cousin a little while back, and he's all agog about
> > > this chump car racing. Check out www.Chumpcar.com It's an endurance series
> > > designed for newbies on a budget.  The car cannot have a market value over
> > > $500, and can have no performance modifications. The nearest race is a 24
> > > hour even in Spokane next summer.
> > >> 
> > >> Over a few beers, a couple gear head buddies and have come to the
> > > conclusion that entering the 24 hour would be a fitting end to the '91..
> > > Other than the clutch and a timing belt that's would require replacing, I
> > > think it would have a good chance of finishing. If we had an extra set of
> > > strut assemblies, we could replace a failed wheel bearing or blown strut
> > > cartridge fairly quickly. Stripped of all the electric motors, glass, and
> > > luxury bits, it would be significantly lightened. Last summers race was won
> > > by a Golf. My friends cousin was in the running with a 280ZX, and they
> > > routinely hit 130 mph on the straight.
> > >> 
> > >> We're still discussing the budget and feasibility. I have a welder with a
> > > tubing bender interested for the roll cage. The rules aren't too far out of
> > > the realm of possibility. I have no further interest in getting this 20v
> > > beast back on the road, and doubt anyone is nuts enough to buy it so I'm
> > > thinking why the hell not?
> > >> 
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >> 
> > >> 
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