20v Chump Car?!

Tue Nov 20 08:35:48 PST 2012

Well, you can't acutally bribe your way out of that. You just get penalty
laps to start out with. "We" definately want to keep it relatively fair.
Jay always said he didn't want the guy with teh big checkbook showing up
and winning the race. And, while someone tried this last race (a VERY big
name tuner) his alternator failed with about 2 hrs to go.

That said, swaps are welcome, but if you can't provide a lap time to go
with it, you will be penalized according to the judges thoughts on the car.
The bribes are in many cases just for adjusting the penalties incurred on
track when they come in to pay. They really don't affect the position on
track. But, we are all car guys, and like swaps as much as the next. Then,
we make bets on some of them, how long they will go. At an even last year,
one judge said a particular RX7/5.0 HO wouldn't make 20 laps all weekend.
He was right, it made 14. Three races later, it finally completed, and took
third.

The longest I've ever seen on a tank is just shy of 4 hrs in a Celica "GT
$00" with a stock 22RE and stock tank. The 4000Q went over three hours, but
the drivers weren't quite the "iron men" of the Celica. That by itself is a
huge advantage, though. A Pit takes at least a lap at the tracks I've been
to. most of them take closer to two laps.

Dave, I'd love to hear/see the progress of the $501 200 20V.

Tony

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Aaron Jongbloedt
<jungle at hickorytech.net>wrote:

> Sweet....how the heck did that swap get through tech. Inspection?  Oh wait,
> it was Lemons, which means bribing was involved.  That is an interesting
> swap for a Crap Can.  How long can they race on a tank of fuel?  The 4.2l
> weighs roughly the same as the old 5cyl 10v doesn't it?
>
> The rules for swaps in Chump got changed for 2013; There is a $50
> assessment
> value plus the AIV of the new engine minus the AIV of the OLD engine.
>
> There are a couple of "deadly/podium contender" swaps in Chump land...there
> is a MR2 w/ a Camary V6, a Subaru legacy w/ a 2.5l turbo, and a RX7 302v-8.
> I want to do a VR6 in the back of the Golf.
>
> One of the advantages of the ABA is that is a pretty fuel efficient car; w/
> the stock fuel tank (14.5 gallons) it can run over 2hrs.  With Lemons this
> is a real advantage because the car can run as long as it wants, we could
> run roughly 2.5hrs; many cars were doing 2x fuel stops as us.  In Chump it
> isn't as big on an advantage because drivers can only be out for 2hrs.
>
> ------------------------------
> Aaron Jongbloedt  "YoungBlood"
> http://junglemotorsports.blogspot.com
> ==============================
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>
> -----Original Message-----
>  From: Cody Forbes [mailto:cody at 5000tq.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:40 PM
> To: Aaron Jongbloedt
> Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: 20v Chump Car?!
>
> My buddies A8 4.2 V8 powered 2700lb 4000q LeMons car would beg to differ
> ;-). Results have been hampered by overheating brakes and some bad luck,
> but
> the car is FAST.
>
> -Cody Forbes (mobile)
>
> On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:03 PM, "Aaron Jongbloedt" <jungle at hickorytech.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I agree with David G & Tony H....I have been a number both Chump &
> > Lemons races.  Here in the Midwest, competition is stiffer, we end up
> > going up against a lot of BMW E30's and E36's.
> >
> > IHMO an audi is not a good choice; the weight balance isn't very good,
> > more parts to fail, and there is too much mass and drive train loss in a
> Quattro.
> > Not trying to talk you out of it, just saying.  As previously
> > mentioned, some key ingredients to being successful is a car that at
> > least one person is intimately familiar with, lots of spares, fix the
> > weak points before the race, do anal bastage maintenance, before the
> > race.  A car that is easy to work on, super reliable, and good drivers
> > who are consistent, good in traffic and don't drive so aggressively they
> break the car.
> >
> > Both cars I ran both are ABA powered, for ChumpCar in the Midwest they
> > only a Top 10 car, but will never podium.  The ABA is a wonderful
> > motor, it just needs "help" to go fast.
> >
> > If you want a more real/serious race car experience go Chump, if you are
> > more interested in having a laugh and shenanigans go w/ Lemons.   Costs
> add
> > up quickly; you will be looking at a minimum of $500 just for cage
> > metal, lots of stuff adds up, race car gas, tow vehicle gas, trailer
> > maintence/use, safety gear, lodging, ect, ect, ect.
> >
> > David, we need to talk again about ABA stuff (see my blog for two odd
> > failures we had this year.
> >
> > I have photos of my various chump car (and other stuff) on my blog and
> > on face book (search JAB Motorsport)
> >
> > Feel free to ask more questions.  Apparently there is a lot of
> > experience on this email list, that can save you heart ache and $.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Aaron Jongbloedt  "YoungBlood"
> > http://junglemotorsports.blogspot.com
> > ==============================
> > careful of your thoughts--they become words careful of your
> > words--they become actions careful of you actions--they become habits
> > careful of you habits--they become your character
> > ==============================
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com
> > [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of David Glubrecht
> > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:22 AM
> > To: qforsail at yahoo.com; quattro at audifans.com
> > Subject: RE: 20v Chump Car?!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  David Glubrecht
> >
> >
> > I run a lot of Chump Car races and they are VERY different from Lemons.
> > They want you to show that you can buy a 10 running examples of your
> > car for less than $500.  It is a BS system, but for the most part it
> works.
> > Still going to be your problem.  With the rarity of these and most
> > people willing to pay over $500 for a intact engine, showing the price
> > point will be nearly impossible without fraud.
> >
> > I will buy it $501, I am close enough.
> >
> > Many engines are blown in racing and what are you going to do with a
> > car you spent a lot of money prepping and caging it when you blow it?
> > This is our team http://www.facebook.com/SquirrelsOfFury?ref=ts&fref=ts
> > Chump Car is GREAT!!!!   It is usually very close racing and lots of
> action,
> > DO IT!    But first race is going to be expensive, do you have committed
> > teammates?  Ones that have or will put up $1000. to get going?  As
> > others have said, first race will likely run ~$5,000.00.  Additional
> races
> can be a
> > bit cheaper, but not much.
> > It can be done for less, as some have brought a chevette and drove it
> > to the track.  They blew an engine, and swapped it just in time to
> > drive it home on their first race.
> >
> > Best to choose something that you can get replacement
> > engines/transmissions, etc cheap.
> > The last race in Spokane VW (ABA) 2.0l engines were in all 3 podium cars.
>
> >
> > Another option is to buy a seat on a team, usually a good deal, but do
> > research.
> >
> > I am looking for a FWD ~84 coupe shell to put all the stuff from our
> > S1 tribute car in.
> > It was wrecked beyond repair at the last race.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Subject: 20v Chump Car?!
> >> From: qforsail at yahoo.com
> >> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:56:20 -0700
> >> To: quattro at audifans.com
> >>
> >> So this may be considered sacrilege.  I have a bone stock '91 200q
> >> that
> > has been residing in the garage for a couple years with maddening
> > electrical issues not at all uncommon with the type. After spending
> > way too many hours and far too much money chasing these gremlins, I've
> > surrendered.  The car has 250kmi, and runs, rides, and shifts nicely.
> >>
> >> I met my best friends cousin a little while back, and he's all agog
> >> about
> > this chump car racing. Check out www.Chumpcar.com<http://www.chumpcar.com/> It's an endurance
> > series designed for newbies on a budget.  The car cannot have a market
> > value over $500, and can have no performance modifications.  The
> > nearest race is a 24 hour even in Spokane next summer.
> >>
> >> Over a few beers, a couple gear head buddies and have come to the
> > conclusion that entering the 24 hour would be a fitting end to the '91.
> > Other than the clutch and a timing belt that's would require
> > replacing, I think it would have a good chance of finishing.  If we
> > had an extra set of strut assemblies, we could replace a failed wheel
> > bearing or blown strut cartridge fairly quickly. Stripped of all the
> > electric motors, glass, and luxury bits, it would be significantly
> > lightened.  Last summers race was won by a Golf. My friends cousin was
> > in the running with a 280ZX, and they routinely hit 130 mph on the
> straight.
> >>
> >> We're still discussing the budget and feasibility.  I have a welder
> >> with a
> > tubing bender interested for the roll cage.  The rules aren't too far
> > out of the realm of possibility.  I have no further interest in
> > getting this 20v beast back on the road, and doubt anyone is nuts
> > enough to buy it so I'm thinking why the hell not?
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
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