20v Chump Car?!

Mon Nov 19 21:19:06 PST 2012

Sweet....how the heck did that swap get through tech. Inspection?  Oh wait,
it was Lemons, which means bribing was involved.  That is an interesting
swap for a Crap Can.  How long can they race on a tank of fuel?  The 4.2l
weighs roughly the same as the old 5cyl 10v doesn't it?  

The rules for swaps in Chump got changed for 2013; There is a $50 assessment
value plus the AIV of the new engine minus the AIV of the OLD engine.

There are a couple of "deadly/podium contender" swaps in Chump land...there
is a MR2 w/ a Camary V6, a Subaru legacy w/ a 2.5l turbo, and a RX7 302v-8.
I want to do a VR6 in the back of the Golf.

One of the advantages of the ABA is that is a pretty fuel efficient car; w/
the stock fuel tank (14.5 gallons) it can run over 2hrs.  With Lemons this
is a real advantage because the car can run as long as it wants, we could
run roughly 2.5hrs; many cars were doing 2x fuel stops as us.  In Chump it
isn't as big on an advantage because drivers can only be out for 2hrs.

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Aaron Jongbloedt  "YoungBlood"
http://junglemotorsports.blogspot.com       
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cody Forbes [mailto:cody at 5000tq.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:40 PM
To: Aaron Jongbloedt
Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: 20v Chump Car?!

My buddies A8 4.2 V8 powered 2700lb 4000q LeMons car would beg to differ
;-). Results have been hampered by overheating brakes and some bad luck, but
the car is FAST.

-Cody Forbes (mobile)

On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:03 PM, "Aaron Jongbloedt" <jungle at hickorytech.net>
wrote:

> I agree with David G & Tony H....I have been a number both Chump & 
> Lemons races.  Here in the Midwest, competition is stiffer, we end up 
> going up against a lot of BMW E30's and E36's.
> 
> IHMO an audi is not a good choice; the weight balance isn't very good, 
> more parts to fail, and there is too much mass and drive train loss in a
Quattro.
> Not trying to talk you out of it, just saying.  As previously 
> mentioned, some key ingredients to being successful is a car that at 
> least one person is intimately familiar with, lots of spares, fix the 
> weak points before the race, do anal bastage maintenance, before the 
> race.  A car that is easy to work on, super reliable, and good drivers 
> who are consistent, good in traffic and don't drive so aggressively they
break the car.
> 
> Both cars I ran both are ABA powered, for ChumpCar in the Midwest they 
> only a Top 10 car, but will never podium.  The ABA is a wonderful 
> motor, it just needs "help" to go fast.
> 
> If you want a more real/serious race car experience go Chump, if you are
> more interested in having a laugh and shenanigans go w/ Lemons.   Costs
add
> up quickly; you will be looking at a minimum of $500 just for cage 
> metal, lots of stuff adds up, race car gas, tow vehicle gas, trailer 
> maintence/use, safety gear, lodging, ect, ect, ect.
> 
> David, we need to talk again about ABA stuff (see my blog for two odd 
> failures we had this year.
> 
> I have photos of my various chump car (and other stuff) on my blog and 
> on face book (search JAB Motorsport)
> 
> Feel free to ask more questions.  Apparently there is a lot of 
> experience on this email list, that can save you heart ache and $.
> 
> ------------------------------
> Aaron Jongbloedt  "YoungBlood"
> http://junglemotorsports.blogspot.com       
> ==============================
> careful of your thoughts--they become words careful of your 
> words--they become actions careful of you actions--they become habits 
> careful of you habits--they become your character 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com 
> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of David Glubrecht
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:22 AM
> To: qforsail at yahoo.com; quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: 20v Chump Car?!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  David Glubrecht
> 
> 
> I run a lot of Chump Car races and they are VERY different from Lemons.  
> They want you to show that you can buy a 10 running examples of your 
> car for less than $500.  It is a BS system, but for the most part it
works.
> Still going to be your problem.  With the rarity of these and most 
> people willing to pay over $500 for a intact engine, showing the price 
> point will be nearly impossible without fraud.
> 
> I will buy it $501, I am close enough.
> 
> Many engines are blown in racing and what are you going to do with a 
> car you spent a lot of money prepping and caging it when you blow it?
> This is our team http://www.facebook.com/SquirrelsOfFury?ref=ts&fref=ts
> Chump Car is GREAT!!!!   It is usually very close racing and lots of
action,
> DO IT!    But first race is going to be expensive, do you have committed
> teammates?  Ones that have or will put up $1000. to get going?  As 
> others have said, first race will likely run ~$5,000.00.  Additional races
can be a
> bit cheaper, but not much.    
> It can be done for less, as some have brought a chevette and drove it 
> to the track.  They blew an engine, and swapped it just in time to 
> drive it home on their first race.
> 
> Best to choose something that you can get replacement 
> engines/transmissions, etc cheap.
> The last race in Spokane VW (ABA) 2.0l engines were in all 3 podium cars.

> 
> Another option is to buy a seat on a team, usually a good deal, but do 
> research.
> 
> I am looking for a FWD ~84 coupe shell to put all the stuff from our 
> S1 tribute car in.
> It was wrecked beyond repair at the last race.   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Subject: 20v Chump Car?!
>> From: qforsail at yahoo.com
>> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:56:20 -0700
>> To: quattro at audifans.com
>> 
>> So this may be considered sacrilege.  I have a bone stock '91 200q 
>> that
> has been residing in the garage for a couple years with maddening 
> electrical issues not at all uncommon with the type. After spending 
> way too many hours and far too much money chasing these gremlins, I've 
> surrendered.  The car has 250kmi, and runs, rides, and shifts nicely.
>> 
>> I met my best friends cousin a little while back, and he's all agog 
>> about
> this chump car racing. Check out www.Chumpcar.com  It's an endurance 
> series designed for newbies on a budget.  The car cannot have a market 
> value over $500, and can have no performance modifications.  The 
> nearest race is a 24 hour even in Spokane next summer.
>> 
>> Over a few beers, a couple gear head buddies and have come to the
> conclusion that entering the 24 hour would be a fitting end to the '91.
> Other than the clutch and a timing belt that's would require 
> replacing, I think it would have a good chance of finishing.  If we 
> had an extra set of strut assemblies, we could replace a failed wheel 
> bearing or blown strut cartridge fairly quickly. Stripped of all the 
> electric motors, glass, and luxury bits, it would be significantly 
> lightened.  Last summers race was won by a Golf. My friends cousin was 
> in the running with a 280ZX, and they routinely hit 130 mph on the
straight.
>> 
>> We're still discussing the budget and feasibility.  I have a welder 
>> with a
> tubing bender interested for the roll cage.  The rules aren't too far 
> out of the realm of possibility.  I have no further interest in 
> getting this 20v beast back on the road, and doubt anyone is nuts 
> enough to buy it so I'm thinking why the hell not?
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> 
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