20v Chump Car?!
Aaron Jongbloedt
jungle at hickorytech.net
Tue Nov 20 10:13:24 PST 2012
AHHH! There is the secret....they got a Residual value...of ONLY $1?!?
When we blew up our trans they only allotted $75 for a replacement. Chump
use Average Internet Values, so one has to find 10 examples of the given
part(s) available for the claimed price.
Sounds like a very competitive car, if they want another driver/mechanic
send them my info. I'd love to fly out to see some different tracks.
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Aaron Jongbloedt "YoungBlood"
http://junglemotorsports.blogspot.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cody Forbes [mailto:cody at 5000tq.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:52 AM
To: Tony Hoffman
Cc: Aaron Jongbloedt; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: 20v Chump Car?!
The 4000q was assessed a residual value of $1 after we scattered the 7A all
over the back straight at Summit Point. The 4.2l was bought for IIRC $300 in
a junkyard with a receipt. The swap was done by the car owner with a ton of
his own labor hours and virtually zero store bought supplies. The flywheel
was made, by him, by taking the 7A flywheel, machining stainless steel plugs
for the bolt holes then welding them in, and finally re-drilling the 4.2l
bolt pattern. Pretty much everything else was cake. It's really 100% within
the $500 budget. At least as far as the engine swap in concerned ;-).
-Cody Forbes (mobile)
On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Tony Hoffman <auditony at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, you can't acutally bribe your way out of that. You just get
> penalty laps to start out with. "We" definately want to keep it relatively
fair.
> Jay always said he didn't want the guy with teh big checkbook showing
> up and winning the race. And, while someone tried this last race (a
> VERY big name tuner) his alternator failed with about 2 hrs to go.
>
> That said, swaps are welcome, but if you can't provide a lap time to
> go with it, you will be penalized according to the judges thoughts on the
car..
> The bribes are in many cases just for adjusting the penalties incurred
> on track when they come in to pay. They really don't affect the
> position on track. But, we are all car guys, and like swaps as much as
> the next. Then, we make bets on some of them, how long they will go.
> At an even last year, one judge said a particular RX7/5.0 HO wouldn't make
20 laps all weekend.
> He was right, it made 14. Three races later, it finally completed, and
> took third.
>
> The longest I've ever seen on a tank is just shy of 4 hrs in a Celica
> "GT $00" with a stock 22RE and stock tank. The 4000Q went over three
> hours, but the drivers weren't quite the "iron men" of the Celica.
> That by itself is a huge advantage, though. A Pit takes at least a lap
> at the tracks I've been to. most of them take closer to two laps.
>
> Dave, I'd love to hear/see the progress of the $501 200 20V.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Aaron Jongbloedt
> <jungle at hickorytech.net>wrote:
>
>> Sweet....how the heck did that swap get through tech. Inspection? Oh
>> wait, it was Lemons, which means bribing was involved. That is an
>> interesting swap for a Crap Can. How long can they race on a tank of
>> fuel? The 4.2l weighs roughly the same as the old 5cyl 10v doesn't it?
>>
>> The rules for swaps in Chump got changed for 2013; There is a $50
>> assessment value plus the AIV of the new engine minus the AIV of the
>> OLD engine.
>>
>> There are a couple of "deadly/podium contender" swaps in Chump
>> land...there is a MR2 w/ a Camary V6, a Subaru legacy w/ a 2.5l turbo,
and a RX7 302v-8.
>> I want to do a VR6 in the back of the Golf.
>>
>> One of the advantages of the ABA is that is a pretty fuel efficient
>> car; w/ the stock fuel tank (14.5 gallons) it can run over 2hrs.
>> With Lemons this is a real advantage because the car can run as long
>> as it wants, we could run roughly 2.5hrs; many cars were doing 2x
>> fuel stops as us. In Chump it isn't as big on an advantage because
drivers can only be out for 2hrs.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Aaron Jongbloedt "YoungBlood"
>> http://junglemotorsports.blogspot.com
>> ==============================
>> careful of your thoughts--they become words careful of your
>> words--they become actions careful of you actions--they become habits
>> careful of you habits--they become your character
>> ==============================
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cody Forbes [mailto:cody at 5000tq.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:40 PM
>> To: Aaron Jongbloedt
>> Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Re: 20v Chump Car?!
>>
>> My buddies A8 4.2 V8 powered 2700lb 4000q LeMons car would beg to
>> differ ;-). Results have been hampered by overheating brakes and some
>> bad luck, but the car is FAST.
>>
>> -Cody Forbes (mobile)
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:03 PM, "Aaron Jongbloedt"
>> <jungle at hickorytech.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with David G & Tony H....I have been a number both Chump &
>>> Lemons races. Here in the Midwest, competition is stiffer, we end
>>> up going up against a lot of BMW E30's and E36's.
>>>
>>> IHMO an audi is not a good choice; the weight balance isn't very
>>> good, more parts to fail, and there is too much mass and drive train
>>> loss in a
>> Quattro.
>>> Not trying to talk you out of it, just saying. As previously
>>> mentioned, some key ingredients to being successful is a car that at
>>> least one person is intimately familiar with, lots of spares, fix
>>> the weak points before the race, do anal bastage maintenance, before
>>> the race. A car that is easy to work on, super reliable, and good
>>> drivers who are consistent, good in traffic and don't drive so
>>> aggressively they
>> break the car.
>>>
>>> Both cars I ran both are ABA powered, for ChumpCar in the Midwest
>>> they only a Top 10 car, but will never podium. The ABA is a
>>> wonderful motor, it just needs "help" to go fast.
>>>
>>> If you want a more real/serious race car experience go Chump, if you are
>>> more interested in having a laugh and shenanigans go w/ Lemons. Costs
>> add
>>> up quickly; you will be looking at a minimum of $500 just for cage
>>> metal, lots of stuff adds up, race car gas, tow vehicle gas, trailer
>>> maintence/use, safety gear, lodging, ect, ect, ect.
>>>
>>> David, we need to talk again about ABA stuff (see my blog for two
>>> odd failures we had this year.
>>>
>>> I have photos of my various chump car (and other stuff) on my blog
>>> and on face book (search JAB Motorsport)
>>>
>>> Feel free to ask more questions. Apparently there is a lot of
>>> experience on this email list, that can save you heart ache and $.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Aaron Jongbloedt "YoungBlood"
>>> http://junglemotorsports.blogspot.com
>>> ==============================
>>> careful of your thoughts--they become words careful of your
>>> words--they become actions careful of you actions--they become
>>> habits careful of you habits--they become your character
>>> ==============================
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com
>>> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of David Glubrecht
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:22 AM
>>> To: qforsail at yahoo.com; quattro at audifans.com
>>> Subject: RE: 20v Chump Car?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Glubrecht
>>>
>>>
>>> I run a lot of Chump Car races and they are VERY different from Lemons.
>>> They want you to show that you can buy a 10 running examples of your
>>> car for less than $500. It is a BS system, but for the most part it
>> works.
>>> Still going to be your problem. With the rarity of these and most
>>> people willing to pay over $500 for a intact engine, showing the
>>> price point will be nearly impossible without fraud.
>>>
>>> I will buy it $501, I am close enough.
>>>
>>> Many engines are blown in racing and what are you going to do with a
>>> car you spent a lot of money prepping and caging it when you blow it?
>>> This is our team http://www.facebook.com/SquirrelsOfFury?ref=ts&fref=ts
>>> Chump Car is GREAT!!!! It is usually very close racing and lots of
>> action,
>>> DO IT! But first race is going to be expensive, do you have committed
>>> teammates? Ones that have or will put up $1000. to get going? As
>>> others have said, first race will likely run ~$5,000.00. Additional
>> races
>> can be a
>>> bit cheaper, but not much.
>>> It can be done for less, as some have brought a chevette and drove
>>> it to the track. They blew an engine, and swapped it just in time
>>> to drive it home on their first race.
>>>
>>> Best to choose something that you can get replacement
>>> engines/transmissions, etc cheap.
>>> The last race in Spokane VW (ABA) 2.0l engines were in all 3 podium
cars..
>>
>>>
>>> Another option is to buy a seat on a team, usually a good deal, but
>>> do research.
>>>
>>> I am looking for a FWD ~84 coupe shell to put all the stuff from our
>>> S1 tribute car in.
>>> It was wrecked beyond repair at the last race.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Subject: 20v Chump Car?!
>>>> From: qforsail at yahoo.com
>>>> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:56:20 -0700
>>>> To: quattro at audifans.com
>>>>
>>>> So this may be considered sacrilege. I have a bone stock '91 200q
>>>> that
>>> has been residing in the garage for a couple years with maddening
>>> electrical issues not at all uncommon with the type. After spending
>>> way too many hours and far too much money chasing these gremlins,
>>> I've surrendered. The car has 250kmi, and runs, rides, and shifts
nicely.
>>>>
>>>> I met my best friends cousin a little while back, and he's all agog
>>>> about
>>> this chump car racing. Check out
>>> www.Chumpcar.com<http://www.chumpcar.com/> It's an endurance series
>>> designed for newbies on a budget. The car cannot have a market
>>> value over $500, and can have no performance modifications. The nearest
race is a 24 hour even in Spokane next summer.
>>>>
>>>> Over a few beers, a couple gear head buddies and have come to the
>>> conclusion that entering the 24 hour would be a fitting end to the '91.
>>> Other than the clutch and a timing belt that's would require
>>> replacing, I think it would have a good chance of finishing. If we
>>> had an extra set of strut assemblies, we could replace a failed
>>> wheel bearing or blown strut cartridge fairly quickly. Stripped of
>>> all the electric motors, glass, and luxury bits, it would be
>>> significantly lightened. Last summers race was won by a Golf. My
>>> friends cousin was in the running with a 280ZX, and they routinely
>>> hit 130 mph on the
>> straight.
>>>>
>>>> We're still discussing the budget and feasibility. I have a welder
>>>> with a
>>> tubing bender interested for the roll cage. The rules aren't too
>>> far out of the realm of possibility. I have no further interest in
>>> getting this 20v beast back on the road, and doubt anyone is nuts
>>> enough to buy it so I'm thinking why the hell not?
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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