quattro Digest, Vol 118, Issue 8
Kneale Brownson
kneale at knitknacks.com
Thu Aug 15 09:05:59 PDT 2013
Check with Chris Semple at Force5auto.com
On 8/14/2013 6:15 PM, Rick Hayllar wrote:
> I would love to get hold of a Bentley manual paper or CD for my 1991
> 90 sedan with 10 V NG engine
> Can anyone help me please
> Rick Hayllar.
> On 15-Aug-13 5:00 AM, quattro-request at audifans.com wrote:
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>> 1. Re: quattro Digest, Vol 118, Issue 7 (Colin Cohen)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:46:40 -0500
>> From: "Colin Cohen" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>
>> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Re: quattro Digest, Vol 118, Issue 7
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>> On it and I will get back to you.
>>
>> Colin
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>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 2:00 PM
>> Subject: quattro Digest, Vol 118, Issue 7
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>>> 1. RE: eBahn (Chris Semple)
>>> 2. re: eBahn (tom at tomwintermedia.com)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:57:59 -0400
>>> From: "Chris Semple" <chris at force5auto.com>
>>> To: "'John Lagnese'" <jlagnese at massed.net>, "'Andrew Muff'"
>>> <andrew at muffster.com>, "'Kneale Brownson'" <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>>> Subject: RE: eBahn
>>> Message-ID: <008201ce93a0$0b0a2df0$211e89d0$@force5auto.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> That B5 chassis paper Bentley manual specifically excludes the S4
>>> model.
>>> It's useful if you're doing a "common" service procedure like struts,
>>> wheel
>>> bearings, door lock work, heater core, or something else that's the
>>> same
>>> as
>>> an A4. But, if you're looking for engine/trans specs+procedures, or
>>> codes+diagnostics for the APB engine, you've only got the CD option.
>>>
>>> I can't count the number of times we've needed a torque spec, or
>>> adjustment
>>> spec, and had to leaf through a combination of A4/Passat/A6/Allroad
>>> books
>>> around the shop to get the info needed.
>>>
>>> ?-Cheers
>>> -Chris Semple
>>> Concord NH
>>> '04 S4 std
>>> '03 Rs6
>>> '08 E350 Club
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com
>>> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of John Lagnese
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:36 PM
>>> To: 'Andrew Muff'; 'Kneale Brownson'
>>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>>> Subject: RE: eBahn
>>>
>>> Chris at Force 5 Auto usually has or can get them.
>>> http://www.force5auto.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com
>>> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Andrew Muff
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:55 PM
>>> To: Kneale Brownson
>>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>>> Subject: Re: eBahn
>>>
>>> I 2nd that. I've been looking for a paper B5 S4 manual for ages. It
>>> doesn't
>>> exist. Not even Haynes or Chilton makes em either.
>>>
>>> If you can point me to a Bentley factory manual for one, I'd buy it
>>> today.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Kneale Brownson" <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No experience with the Fleabay products.
>>>>
>>>> Just want to point out that Bentley (which I read somewhere recently
>>>> lost
>>> its contract to publish VAG materials) produces eBahn stuff.
>>>> And, where are you acquiring printed manuals? They always seemed
>>>> superior
>>> to me.
>>>> On 8/6/2013 1:38 PM, David Giannandrea wrote:
>>>>> I got a 'factory manual' for my F150 from Bishko via Rock Auto. It
>>>>> looked like the real thing, delivered on a CD in PDF format. Of
>>>>> course, in this format you won't get the factory notices or updates,
>>>>> but at least I had enough information to address my tasks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am seeing similar PDF manuals for Audis on eBay. under $10.00!
>>>>> Anybody have experience with them?? At that price I will get one next
>>>>> week and
>>> let
>>>>> you all know what's inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we have three players involved in delivering information: 1) VAG -
>>>>> creates the information, 2) Bentley Publishing - publishes
>>>>> information,
>>> 3)
>>>>> eBahn - obsolete software reader. Can Bentley simply replace eBahn
>>>>> and
>>> make
>>>>> us all happy...or do I have to start buying printed manuals (same
>>>>> price
>>> to
>>>>> me, less profit to Bentley) just to avoid eBahn.
>>>>>
>>>>> David G.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 15:03:53 -0600
>>> From: "tom at tomwintermedia.com" <tom at tomwintermedia.com>
>>> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>>> Subject: re: eBahn
>>> Message-ID: <CE281259.E868%tom at tomwintermedia.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> This is interesting, but I can't help but think that the forums
>>> (this one
>>> and others) can fill the gap. After all, if I post a question about
>>> my B5
>>> S4
>>> on Audizine (and maybe here, tho the 'Zine B5 Forums are pretty active,
>>> albeit with a lot of punk tuners), I tend to get a lot of good info
>>> pretty
>>> quickly.
>>>
>>> I had every intention of getting a factory manual for my C4 S6
>>> Avant, but
>>> never needed it. You guys and the s-car list were just too damn
>>> helpful.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Tom 2001.5 S4 Avant
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:38:51 -0700
>>>> From: "David Giannandrea" <david.giannandrea at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>>>> Subject: re: eBahn
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <000e01ce92dc$94a5d740$bdf185c0$@giannandrea at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> I got a 'factory manual' for my F150 from Bishko via Rock Auto. It
>>>> looked
>>>> like the real thing, delivered on a CD in PDF format. Of course, in
>>>> this
>>>> format you won't get the factory notices or updates, but at least I
>>>> had
>>>> enough information to address my tasks.
>>>>
>>>> I am seeing similar PDF manuals for Audis on eBay. under $10.00!
>>>> Anybody
>>>> have experience with them?? At that price I will get one next week and
>>>> let
>>>> you all know what's inside.
>>>>
>>>> So we have three players involved in delivering information: 1) VAG -
>>>> creates the information, 2) Bentley Publishing - publishes
>>>> information,
>>>> 3)
>>>> eBahn - obsolete software reader. Can Bentley simply replace eBahn
>>>> and
>>>> make
>>>> us all happy...or do I have to start buying printed manuals (same
>>>> price
>>>> to
>>>> me, less profit to Bentley) just to avoid eBahn.
>>>>
>>>> David G.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:16:58 -0600
>>>> From: Kneale Brownson <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>>>> To: quattro at audifans.com
>>>> Subject: Re: eBahn
>>>> Message-ID: <520264EA.4060805 at knitknacks.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> No experience with the Fleabay products.
>>>>
>>>> Just want to point out that Bentley (which I read somewhere recently
>>>> lost its contract to publish VAG materials) produces eBahn stuff.
>>>>
>>>> And, where are you acquiring printed manuals? They always seemed
>>>> superior to me.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/6/2013 1:38 PM, David Giannandrea wrote:
>>>>> I got a 'factory manual' for my F150 from Bishko via Rock Auto. It
>>>>> looked
>>>>> like the real thing, delivered on a CD in PDF format. Of course,
>>>>> in this
>>>>> format you won't get the factory notices or updates, but at least
>>>>> I had
>>>>> enough information to address my tasks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am seeing similar PDF manuals for Audis on eBay. under $10.00!
>>>>> Anybody
>>>>> have experience with them?? At that price I will get one next week
>>>>> and
>>>>> let
>>>>> you all know what's inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we have three players involved in delivering information: 1) VAG -
>>>>> creates the information, 2) Bentley Publishing - publishes
>>>>> information,
>>>>> 3)
>>>>> eBahn - obsolete software reader. Can Bentley simply replace
>>>>> eBahn and
>>>>> make
>>>>> us all happy...or do I have to start buying printed manuals (same
>>>>> price
>>>>> to
>>>>> me, less profit to Bentley) just to avoid eBahn.
>>>>>
>>>>> David G.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:55:24 -0700
>>>> From: "Andrew Muff" <andrew at muffster.com>
>>>> To: "Kneale Brownson" <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>>>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>>>> Subject: Re: eBahn
>>>> Message-ID: <017601ce9397$4af8fee0$e0eafca0$@muffster.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> I 2nd that. I've been looking for a paper B5 S4 manual for ages. It
>>>> doesn't
>>>> exist. Not even Haynes or Chilton makes em either.
>>>>
>>>> If you can point me to a Bentley factory manual for one, I'd buy it
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Kneale Brownson" <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No experience with the Fleabay products.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to point out that Bentley (which I read somewhere recently
>>>>> lost
>>>> its contract to publish VAG materials) produces eBahn stuff.
>>>>> And, where are you acquiring printed manuals? They always seemed
>>>>> superior
>>>> to me.
>>>>> On 8/6/2013 1:38 PM, David Giannandrea wrote:
>>>>>> I got a 'factory manual' for my F150 from Bishko via Rock Auto. It
>>>>>> looked
>>>>>> like the real thing, delivered on a CD in PDF format. Of course, in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> format you won't get the factory notices or updates, but at least
>>>>>> I had
>>>>>> enough information to address my tasks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am seeing similar PDF manuals for Audis on eBay. under $10.00!
>>>>>> Anybody
>>>>>> have experience with them?? At that price I will get one next
>>>>>> week and
>>>> let
>>>>>> you all know what's inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we have three players involved in delivering information: 1)
>>>>>> VAG -
>>>>>> creates the information, 2) Bentley Publishing - publishes
>>>>>> information,
>>>> 3)
>>>>>> eBahn - obsolete software reader. Can Bentley simply replace
>>>>>> eBahn and
>>>> make
>>>>>> us all happy...or do I have to start buying printed manuals (same
>>>>>> price
>>>> to
>>>>>> me, less profit to Bentley) just to avoid eBahn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David G.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:36:07 -0400
>>>> From: "John Lagnese" <jlagnese at massed.net>
>>>> To: "'Andrew Muff'" <andrew at muffster.com>, "'Kneale Brownson'"
>>>> <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>>>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>>>> Subject: RE: eBahn
>>>> Message-ID: <2EEC40C0BB37449A91EB5E153E18CED6 at foghorn0cf8258>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Chris at Force 5 Auto usually has or can get them.
>>>> http://www.force5auto.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com
>>>> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Andrew Muff
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:55 PM
>>>> To: Kneale Brownson
>>>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>>>> Subject: Re: eBahn
>>>>
>>>> I 2nd that. I've been looking for a paper B5 S4 manual for ages. It
>>>> doesn't
>>>> exist. Not even Haynes or Chilton makes em either.
>>>>
>>>> If you can point me to a Bentley factory manual for one, I'd buy it
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Kneale Brownson" <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No experience with the Fleabay products.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to point out that Bentley (which I read somewhere recently
>>>>> lost
>>>> its contract to publish VAG materials) produces eBahn stuff.
>>>>> And, where are you acquiring printed manuals? They always seemed
>>>>> superior
>>>> to me.
>>>>> On 8/6/2013 1:38 PM, David Giannandrea wrote:
>>>>>> I got a 'factory manual' for my F150 from Bishko via Rock Auto. It
>>>>>> looked
>>>>>> like the real thing, delivered on a CD in PDF format. Of course, in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> format you won't get the factory notices or updates, but at least
>>>>>> I had
>>>>>> enough information to address my tasks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am seeing similar PDF manuals for Audis on eBay. under $10.00!
>>>>>> Anybody
>>>>>> have experience with them?? At that price I will get one next
>>>>>> week and
>>>> let
>>>>>> you all know what's inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we have three players involved in delivering information: 1)
>>>>>> VAG -
>>>>>> creates the information, 2) Bentley Publishing - publishes
>>>>>> information,
>>>> 3)
>>>>>> eBahn - obsolete software reader. Can Bentley simply replace
>>>>>> eBahn and
>>>> make
>>>>>> us all happy...or do I have to start buying printed manuals (same
>>>>>> price
>>>> to
>>>>>> me, less profit to Bentley) just to avoid eBahn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David G.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:49:18 -0400
>>>> From: Grant Lenahan <glenahan at vfemail.net>
>>>> To: "Andrew Muff" <andrew at muffster.com>
>>>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>>>> Subject: Re: eBahn
>>>> Message-ID: <4DF38AF7-8D97-4E15-9452-E8D809AA82C7 at vfemail.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> I had a B5 Bentley (service) manual. It existed. It was the same
>>>> for A4
>>>> and
>>>> S4
>>>>
>>>> Grant
>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Andrew Muff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I 2nd that. I've been looking for a paper B5 S4 manual for ages. It
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> exist. Not even Haynes or Chilton makes em either.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can point me to a Bentley factory manual for one, I'd buy it
>>>>> today.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Kneale Brownson" <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No experience with the Fleabay products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just want to point out that Bentley (which I read somewhere recently
>>>>>> lost
>>>>> its contract to publish VAG materials) produces eBahn stuff.
>>>>>> And, where are you acquiring printed manuals? They always seemed
>>>>>> superior
>>>>> to me.
>>>>>> On 8/6/2013 1:38 PM, David Giannandrea wrote:
>>>>>>> I got a 'factory manual' for my F150 from Bishko via Rock Auto. It
>>>>>>> looked
>>>>>>> like the real thing, delivered on a CD in PDF format. Of course, in
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> format you won't get the factory notices or updates, but at least I
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> enough information to address my tasks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am seeing similar PDF manuals for Audis on eBay. under $10.00!
>>>>>>> Anybody
>>>>>>> have experience with them?? At that price I will get one next
>>>>>>> week and
>>>>> let
>>>>>>> you all know what's inside.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So we have three players involved in delivering information: 1)
>>>>>>> VAG -
>>>>>>> creates the information, 2) Bentley Publishing - publishes
>>>>>>> information,
>>>>> 3)
>>>>>>> eBahn - obsolete software reader. Can Bentley simply replace eBahn
>>>>>>> and
>>>>> make
>>>>>>> us all happy...or do I have to start buying printed manuals (same
>>>>>>> price
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> me, less profit to Bentley) just to avoid eBahn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David G.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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