[s-cars] Re: S-CAR-List digest, Vol 1 #871 - 16 msgs

[CyberPoet]

On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 10:40 PM,
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>    1. Re: Stumbling at low rpm (Now o2 sensors) (Marc Swanson)
>    2. Re: Stumbling at low rpm (Now o2 sensors) (QSHIPQ at aol.com)
>    3. RE: RE : [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm (Bob Rossato)
>    4. Re: RE : [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm (CaptMagu at aol.com)
>    5. Burlington VT mechanic (William Perron)
>    6. RE: RE : [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm (MLP)
>    7. New Bentley Repair CD yet? (Paul.Park at Colorado.EDU)
>    8. RE: Rear door speakers (Bill Mahoney)
>    9. Re: Stumbling at low rpm (S4audinut at aol.com)
>   10. Re: RE : [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm (S4audinut at aol.com)
>   11. Re: Stumbling at low rpm (Now o2 sensors) (Marc Swanson)
>   12. RE: Rear door speakers (Walsh, Edward)
>   13. Re: RE: Rear door speakers (S4audinut at aol.com)
>   14. Re: Manuals for 93 Audi 100S? (S4audinut at aol.com)
>   15. auto check system demon removal (Michael Minnich)
>   16. Re: Manuals for 93 Audi 100S? (William Noland)
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> Message: 1
> From: Marc Swanson <mswanson at mswanson.com>
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Date: 23 Dec 2002 11:56:32 -0500
> Subject: [s-cars] Re: Stumbling at low rpm (Now o2 sensors)
>
>> No, the oxygen reference in terms of the gas travels thru the wires to
> the
>> sensor.  Soldering compromises that reference ability.  Solder
> compromises
>> electrical ability in an underhood environment too, I'll let Peter S
> and Audi
>> TSB/A broach that subject.
>
>
> Hmm, according to the data sheets I've read on o2 sensors,  the
> reference air is taken from immediately _outside_ the casing of the
> sensor itself (eg _near_ the wires at the top of the sensor but not
> actually _through_ them).  There is typically a small hole in the
> sensor
> body at the top through which the sample is gathered.
>
> Mr. Mockry has some nice cross-section diagrams here:
>
> http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/10vo2sen.html#o2
>
>
> --
> ----------------------------------
> Marc Swanson, Software Engineer
> Sonitrol Communications Corp.
> Hartford, CT
>
> Email: mswanson at sonitrol.net
> Phone: (860) 616-7036
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>  Cell: (603) 512-1267
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> Message: 2
> From: QSHIPQ at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:01:06 EST
> To: mswanson at sonitrol.net
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] Re: Stumbling at low rpm (Now o2 sensors)
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> I'd suggest that one look for the vent in the top of the 02, I don't
> think
> that is standard practice anymore, because of the "clogging factor".
>
> SJ
> In a message dated 12/23/02 10:35:44 AM Central Standard Time,
> mswanson at sonitrol.net writes:
>
>
> Hmm, according to the data sheets I've read on o2 sensors,  the
> reference air is taken from immediately _outside_ the casing of the
> sensor itself (eg _near_ the wires at the top of the sensor but not
> actually _through_ them).  There is typically a small hole in the
> sensor
> body at the top through which the sample is gathered.
>
> Mr. Mockry has some nice cross-section diagrams here:
>
> http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/10vo2sen.html#o2
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "Bob Rossato" <bob.rossato at att.net>
> To: <lee at wheelman.com>, "Rob Pecsar" <rpecsar at pacbell.net>
> Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: RE : [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:05:33 -0500
>
> Or you could easily just drill a hole in the pads to accommodate the
> sensor.
> Just use your stock pads as a guide.
>
> Bob
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
>> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Lee Levitt
>> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:28 AM
>> To: Rob Pecsar
>> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Subject: RE: RE : [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm
>>
>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> I recently upgraded too, and I picked up a set of Porsche
>> sensors, connected
>> them to the leftover pigtails from the old Audi brake pads. I then
>> found
>> that some Porsche pads do not have a fitting for the sensor.
>>
>> For instance...
>> 	Mintex Reds do
>> 	Hawk HPS do not
>>
>> I ran the Mintex Reds briefly, then switched over to the Hawks. Had
>> to zip
>> tie the wiring up out of the way...will probably remove it soon.
>>
>> So, before you go to the trouble if integrating the Porsche sensors,
>> find
>> out if your selected pads can take them...
>>
>> Lee
>> '95.5 S6 avant
>> '96 A6 quattro avant
>>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: CaptMagu at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:15:52 EST
> Subject: Re: RE : [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm
> To: lee at wheelman.com, vfregeac at sympatico.ca, QSHIPQ at aol.com,
> 	S4audinut at aol.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
>
> Lee
>
> You are so right on! This reminds me of some aviation lore concerning
> the C-5
> Galaxy. I spent 12 years flying the "Aluminum Overcast". One of our
> challenges was with a phenomenum called the "queer electron theory".
> There
> was so many miles of electrical wiring in that engineering marvel that
> certain functions would set-up their own electo-magnetic fields and
> trigger
> unrelated faults. That thing drove Flight Engineers crazy. For Audi
> content,
> it was during that career that I owned my first Audi, an 83 urquattro.
>
> Hap, remembering when in Evergreen, Maguire
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:52:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: William Perron <w_perron at yahoo.com>
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] Burlington VT mechanic
>
> Heading up to Burlington VT for New Years.  Just in
> case I have any serious trouble, looking to at least
> have a name of a good audi s-car  farmiliar mechanic
> in the area.  Ray T. and Mike P. had mentioned someone
> when we were at Paul's house the other weekend, but
> unfrortunately I can't remember it now. Any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Perron
> '85 4kq
> '95.5 S6 Avant
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:10:17 -0700
> From: "MLP" <mlped at qwest.net>
> To: CaptMagu at aol.com, lee at wheelman.com, vfregeac at sympatico.ca,
> 	QSHIPQ at aol.com, S4audinut at aol.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: RE : [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm
>
> Hap,
>
> I thought that problem was finally resolve by the Clinton
> administration
> with the "Don't ask, don't tell ..." policy.   Whole new meaning for
> getting soldered?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car On Behalf Of CaptMagu at aol.com
>
> Lee
>
> You are so right on! This reminds me of some aviation lore concerning
> the C-5 Galaxy. I spent 12 years flying the "Aluminum Overcast". One of
> our challenges was with a phenomenum called the "queer electron
> theory".
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:43:06 -0700 (MST)
> From: Paul.Park at Colorado.EDU
> Subject: [s-cars] New Bentley Repair CD yet?
>
> I lost Chris' address, and am wondering when we could expect the new
> Bentley
> Repair CD? I've heard great things about it, at least better things
> about it as
> opposed to the previous editions.
>
> I've got things to do, people to see in distant lands, and I cannot
> get any of
> this done without repairing some minor things with the help of a
> manual:)
>
> Happy Holidays all,
> Paul
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: wmahoney at disk.com (Bill Mahoney)
> To: "Walsh, Edward" <edward.walsh at agedwards.com>
> Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:10:35 -0600
> Subject: [s-cars] RE: Rear door speakers
>
> Hey Ed,
> Taunt if you must but
> My advanced tweeters are so stealthy that they are virtually invisible
> to
> humans and only audible to dogs.
> I swear to god your car lOOked so nice I would have bought it myself
> cept I
> already have 6, my stupid daughters dont/cant drive stick and I have
> only 2
> garages.
> I snuck out yesterday to get Sammy the walmart schwinn mtn bike (very
> nice
> red aluminum frame.. of course) and while bombing around grinning
> cheshire
> like, I thought man that eds gonna love that avant once its rs2
> equipped.
> BTW did cleaning the drain plug and changing spark plugs fix your
> problems?
> FWIW my spec 4 racer neighbor droves us down to the bulls game via his
> 540i
> last saturday nite and while its a very nice car, there's not much to
> get
> excited about for all that dough IME.  A little softer seats would
> filter
> some of the road bumps of the taught suspension. IME
> Okay with all your free holiday time now get that manifold n turbo in
> there!
> Cheer's
> Bill M
> coupla Q's
> 911
> 3 acuras
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walsh, Edward [mailto:edward.walsh at agedwards.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:37 PM
> To: 'wmahoney at disk.com'
> Subject: Rear door speakers
>
>
> Heya Bill,
>
> Didn't you say the rear door speakers were fake, like the front door
> "tweeter" grill?
>
> If so, you are missing some speakers dude.  My car has 7.  2 front, 4
> rear,
> Audi/bose sub woof hidden behind a panel in the cargo area.
>
> nana na nana na
>
> :-)
>
> Ed
>
>
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> Message: 9
> From: S4audinut at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:13:56 EST
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm
> To: QSHIPQ at aol.com, vfregeac at sympatico.ca, s-car-list at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 12/23/2002 9:04:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, QSHIPQ
> writes:
>
>> You can heat shrink but *NEVER* solder any O2 wires.  In O2's  oxygen
>> reference actually is THRU the wires, solder can interrupt that.
>> Crimp and
>> heat shrink would be the best way.
>>
>> SJ
>>
>
> Best (and only way that works on my car ) is to use the full pigtail.
> Rod
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: S4audinut at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:12:11 EST
> Subject: Re: RE : [s-cars] Stumbling at low rpm
> To: vfregeac at sympatico.ca, s-car-list at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 12/23/2002 8:54:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> vfregeac at sympatico.ca writes:
>
>> The splices are soldered and heat shrunk. Soldering have been done the
>> proper way =E2=80=93 heat the wire and solder on the wire, not the
>> iron. =
> What is
>> the problem if you splice closer than a few feet?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Vincent.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Vincent, I have a hi-HP car, I have probvlems with any splice. My car
> only
> tolerates the full o2 sensor, stumbles on anything else. Maybe yours
> is not
> so picky
> Rod
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: Marc Swanson <mswanson at sonitrol.net>
> To: QSHIPQ at aol.com
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Date: 23 Dec 2002 11:35:30 -0500
> Subject: [s-cars] Re: Stumbling at low rpm (Now o2 sensors)
>
>> No, the oxygen reference in terms of the gas travels thru the wires
>> to the
>> sensor.  Soldering compromises that reference ability.  Solder
>> compromises
>> electrical ability in an underhood environment too, I'll let Peter S
>> and Audi
>> TSB/A broach that subject.
>
>
> Hmm, according to the data sheets I've read on o2 sensors,  the
> reference air is taken from immediately _outside_ the casing of the
> sensor itself (eg _near_ the wires at the top of the sensor but not
> actually _through_ them).  There is typically a small hole in the
> sensor
> body at the top through which the sample is gathered.
>
> Mr. Mockry has some nice cross-section diagrams here:
>
> http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/10vo2sen.html#o2
>
> --
> ----------------------------------
> Marc Swanson, Software Engineer
> Sonitrol Communications Corp.
> Hartford, CT
>
> Email: mswanson at sonitrol.net
> Phone: (860) 616-7036
> Pager: (860) 948-6713
>  Cell: (603) 512-1267
>   Fax: (860) 616-7589
> ----------------------------------
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: "Walsh, Edward" <edward.walsh at agedwards.com>
> To: "'wmahoney at disk.com'" <wmahoney at disk.com>
> Cc: "'s-car-list at audifans.com'" <s-car-list at audifans.com>,
> 	"'s-car-list at audifans.com'" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:57:06 -0500
> Subject: [s-cars] RE: Rear door speakers
>
> Billiam,
>
> Yes the drain plug cleaning did the trick!  I'm so happy that was an
> easy
> fix.  I have the proper plugs enroute with hopes of them solving the
> high
> boost miss.
>
> I cleaned her up over the w/e and must admit that the interior is
> stellar.
> All bulbs illuminate (even the seat heaters and rearview mirror).  The
> FM
> radio has VERY poor/unacceptable reception compared to my 93 and cuts
> in out
> in an annoying fashion.  The AM radio doesn't work at all, just hear
> static.
> I think there is something wrong there.  The CD changer works well, so
> it
> must be a AM/FM thing.  Despite the Sub, the radio doesn't offer the
> bass of
> my 93.
>
> Outside, the black paint on the textured rocker panels near the rear
> wheels
> is somewhat faded/missing and will need a respray to look A1.  There
> are a
> couple of paintless dent removal dings that need to be addressed.
> Other
> than the standard misc. rock chips on the hood, the car exterior is
> nice.
> Wheels are good, with odd Nokia high performance summer tires.  They
> are a
> little loud and grip is only OK
>
> Other things I notice/enjoy:
>
> - The starter motor sounds better on the avant (weird, I know)
> - The door open chime is much nicer than the Air horn of the 93
> - The 95's HVAC and Radio illumination appears redder and my orangish
> 93
> - The chrome rings around the gauges _make_ the dash
>
> Oh, how is your suspension tuned?  I have some Bilstein sports to use
> on ?
> spring.  I know Eibachs sag on the boot end, how about the H&R?  Now,
> I just
> have to figure out how long it will take (ie. is it worth it) to swap
> the
> Carbon Fiber into the Avant.  Looks to be a PITA du jour.
>
> Ed
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wmahoney at disk.com [mailto:wmahoney at disk.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:11 PM
> To: Walsh, Edward
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: Rear door speakers
>
>
> Hey Ed,
> Taunt if you must but
> My advanced tweeters are so stealthy that they are virtually invisible
> to
> humans and only audible to dogs.
> I swear to god your car lOOked so nice I would have bought it myself
> cept I
> already have 6, my stupid daughters dont/cant drive stick and I have
> only 2
> garages.
> I snuck out yesterday to get Sammy the walmart schwinn mtn bike (very
> nice
> red aluminum frame.. of course) and while bombing around grinning
> cheshire
> like, I thought man that eds gonna love that avant once its rs2
> equipped.
> BTW did cleaning the drain plug and changing spark plugs fix your
> problems?
> FWIW my spec 4 racer neighbor droves us down to the bulls game via his
> 540i
> last saturday nite and while its a very nice car, there's not much to
> get
> excited about for all that dough IME.  A little softer seats would
> filter
> some of the road bumps of the taught suspension. IME
> Okay with all your free holiday time now get that manifold n turbo in
> there!
> Cheer's
> Bill M
> coupla Q's
> 911
> 3 acuras
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Sons, Inc. ("AGE") and its employees are transmitted over the
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> Message: 13
> From: S4audinut at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:36:05 EST
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] RE: Rear door speakers
> To: edward.walsh at agedwards.com, wmahoney at disk.com
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 12/23/2002 3:55:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> edward.walsh at agedwards.com writes:
>
>> Oh, how is your suspension tuned?  I have some Bilstein sports to use
>> on ?
>> spring.  I know Eibachs sag on the boot end, how about the H&R?  Now,
>> I
>> just
>> have to figure out how long it will take (ie. is it worth it) to swap
>> the
>> Carbon Fiber into the Avant.  Looks to be a PITA du jour.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>
> I love the S6+ springs with Sports. I will probably go coil overs back
> and if
> 2boners new bearing works, may go front and rear. The s6+ springs ride
> and
> perf better than any other combo I have been around IMO.
> Rod
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> From: S4audinut at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:39:22 EST
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Manuals for 93 Audi 100S?
> To: thecyberpoet at cyberpoet.net, S-CAR-List at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 12/23/2002 11:53:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> thecyberpoet at cyberpoet.net writes:
>
>> ,
>>
>>   just rejoined the list after years away, as we just acquired another
>> Audi. This one is a 1993 Audi 100S V6 engine / 5-speed manual, and I'm
>> having a dickens of a time locating any manuals appropriate to it (the
>> factory repair manuals are out of print, and it seems neither haynes
>> nor chiltons has a manual for the V6 version of the 100). Any
>> suggestions would be welcome... especially if someone can step up and
>> say "hey, this manual for the A4/A6/S6 is for the same engine/tranny
>> layout"..
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> =-= Marc Glasgow
>>
>>
>
> I find the 3 volume set of Bentleys is best, can stay in the car and
> travel
> with you. My car seldom breaks at home.
> Rod
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:30:40 -0500
> From: Michael Minnich <mminnich at epix.net>
> Reply-To: mminnich at epix.net
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] auto check system demon removal
>
> Recently purchased a 1993 s4.  Damn flashing burnt bulb indicator and
> associated high frequency (read annoying as hell) beep comes on at
> random times and will not go away.  I replaced all bulbs, used contact
> enhancer, etc. trying to get rid of this problem, but no success.
> Local
> dealer says "bring it in, we will look at it", which translated into
> Audi Factory Trained Service is "we will charge you at least $300.00 to
> tell you we do not know what the problem is".  Anyway, if anyone has
> experienced a similar problem or knows how to disconnect the idiot, er
> I
> mean the auto check system, please let me know.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:35:58 -0800
> From: William Noland <wenoland at pacbell.net>
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com, thecyberpoet at cyberpoet.net
> Subject: [s-cars] Re: Manuals for 93 Audi 100S?
>
>
> You would need the Bentley manual -- http://www.rb.com.  Available as a
> 3-volume set, or on CD. Listers tend to lean towards the hard copy,
> though it sounds as if the CD is improving. Good news is, that the
> manual covers not only the 100 and A6, but the S4 and S6, should you
> end
> up with an S-Car again.
>
> Bill Noland
>
>> just rejoined the list after years away, as we just acquired another
>> Audi. This one is a 1993 Audi 100S V6 engine / 5-speed manual, and I'm
>> having a dickens of a time locating any manuals appropriate to it (the
>> factory repair manuals are out of print, and it seems neither haynes
>> nor chiltons has a manual for the V6 version of the 100). Any
>> suggestions would be welcome... especially if someone can step up and
>> say "hey, this manual for the A4/A6/S6 is for the same engine/tranny
>> layout"..
>>
>
>
>
>
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