[s-cars] IA vs MTM......This is Ned Ritchie's input

Robert Pastore rpastore at animalfeeds.com
Tue Jun 18 02:15:38 EDT 2002 

Fellow Listers:

My .02-

I've purchased software from both Ned and Hoppen in the past, and prefer
dealing with Ned -- he is just so much more knowledgable than Hoppen, and
more customer oriented.

That being said, the two chipsets being considered here aren't even in the
same ballpark.   The MTM 1+ from Hoppen transorms the car in to a monster,
always begging you to get into the boost,  while any software running the
stock 2.5 pressure transducer will be only a mild improvement over stock.
The difference in  mid range torque is truly incredible.

I'd recommend you convince Ned to offer up his III+ (3 bar) software in this
GP, it is essentially  the same as the MTM 1+.   Also, please don't lose
sight of the fact that 3 bars sensor are NLA, and if you can still get one
with this GP, it might be your last opportunity.  Without it, your upgrade
path might turn into a dead end.

Not only have I driven both chipsets, but I've examined the code  and have
made 3-d maps of the boost profile of both. I posted the 1+ map to the files
section of yahoo groups last week, and will email the 2.5 bar software's map
to anyone who is interested.

Best regards,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Stoddard [mailto:rstoddard at shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:16 AM
To: chris chambers
Cc: Scar
Subject: Re: [s-cars] IA vs MTM......This is Ned Ritchie's input


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I just want to gather the facts and not flames here, but now that we
have heard from Ned on the IA vs. MTM issue, let's hear what MTM /
Hoppen has to say.

I would like to hear what MTM has to say about the whole debate of IA
vs. the MTM mod and what their defence is to Ned's comments (again, just
the facts)?

BTW, my vote still remains MTM.

Robin
96 S6

chris chambers wrote:

>Ok guys,
>
>This may be getting old but here goes, Ned sent me
>this email with his thoughts on the IA vs MTM update.
>Due to the fact that it seems very straightforward I
>am forwarding it in it's entirety to the list. Barring
>huge debates, flame fests and other debauchery I would
>like to  have a vote by This Sunday on which way the
>list would like to go, IA or MTM.
>
>So on Thursday I will send out an email to the general
>list as well as everyone already signed up for the
>group purchase asking for your vote, MTM, IA, or ?.
>
>Until then, anyone with a question or opinion please
>express it.
>
>Thanks
>
>Chris
>
>
>--- Intended Acceleration
><Sales at IntendedAcceleration.com> wrote:
>
>>From: "Intended Acceleration"
>><Sales at IntendedAcceleration.com>
>>To: "'chris chambers'" <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
>>CC: "'Intended Acceleration'"
>><Sales at IntendedAcceleration.com>
>>Subject: RE: [s-cars] MTM Hoppen S4 software upgrade
>>GP update
>>Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:50:18 -0700
>>
>>Expected hp & other results/issues from IA S4/S6
>>chips:
>>
>>
>>
>>IA Stage III
>>
>>      Approximately 277 hp
>>
>>      No known issues
>>
>>      Conservative safe enhancement
>>
>>      Best for longevity and reliability
>>
>>      Does not push the limit of the small turbo
>>
>>      Will not by itself damage the turbo
>>
>>      Best for high altitude (safer compressor
>>pressure ratios)
>>
>>      No detonation on premium pump gas
>>
>>
>>
>>IA Stage III+ and Hoppen Stage 1+
>>
>>      Approximately 277 hp (MTM 1+ chip label says
>>265 hp)
>>
>>      Requires a 300 kPa pressure transducer
>>
>>      Digital boost display on 1992 S4 inaccurate by
>>20%
>>
>>      "Fuel/Timing" & "Boost" chips for III & III+
>>are different
>>
>>      More midrange boost plus ignition timing at
>>detonation level
>>
>>      III+ boost pressure higher than III only in
>>mid rpm range
>>
>>      Pushes the limit of the small turbo
>>
>>      Potential for damage to marginal turbochargers
>>
>>      Detonation on warm days
>>
>>       MTM's detonation more severe than IA's with
>>its reduced timing)
>>
>>      If Wastegate Frequency Valve is sticky
>>possible excessive turbo
>>rpm
>>
>>      III+ peak hp the same as Stage III peak hp
>>
>>       (IA & MTM reduce the boost above certain rpm
>>to stage III level)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: chris chambers
>>[mailto:fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 6:50 AM
>>To: Intended Acceleration
>>Subject: RE: [s-cars] MTM Hoppen S4 software upgrade
>>GP update
>>
>>
>>
>>Ned,
>>
>>
>>
>>I am forwarding this email to the list, and let the
>>
>>masses discuss it, decide which way to go.  I have
>>no
>>
>>experience with either your upgrade or the MTM
>>
>>upgrade. If you would like to send me info on yours,
>>
>>maybe why you feel it is better, etc. I would
>>
>>appreciate it.  I could then porovide this
>>information
>>
>>to the list and it wouldn't sound like a commetcial
>>
>>from you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'll throw the following into the ring:
>>>
>>>Intended Acceleration Stage III - Group Purchase
>>>
>>>Price $455.00 plus
>>>
>>>shipping
>>>
>>>Only 10 units needed
>>>
>>>Ned
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>From: Intended Acceleration
>>>
>>>[mailto:Sales at IntendedAcceleration.com]
>>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:09 PM
>>>
>>>To: 'chris chambers'
>>>
>>>Subject: RE: [s-cars] MTM Hoppen S4 software
>>>
>>upgrade
>>
>>>GP update
>>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>I just bought a bunch from Bosch in Germany last
>>>
>>>week and was told I
>>>
>>>bought the last of them.  That will keep me going
>>>
>>>for a year or so, but
>>>
>>>I think I'll save them for the folks that will go
>>>
>>>beyond stage III+
>>>
>>>because they will really need it.
>>>
>>>It is true that there is an improvement between
>>>
>>our
>>
>>>stage III and stage
>>>
>>>III+ that you can feel, but for a group purchase I
>>>
>>>think I'll only offer
>>>
>>>the stage III to protect future buyers.
>>>
>>>Ned
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>From: chris chambers
>>>
>>>[mailto:fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com]
>>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:09 AM
>>>
>>>To: Intended Acceleration
>>>
>>>Subject: RE: [s-cars] MTM Hoppen S4 software
>>>
>>upgrade
>>
>>>GP update
>>>
>>>Ned,
>>>
>>>I am aware of the hard to find 3 bar sensor.
>>>
>>>According to the folks at Hoppen, MTM Germany
>>>
>>bought
>>
>>>all the sensors that Bosch had left. They have
>>>
>>told
>>
>>>me
>>>
>>>they have plenty, but who knows.
>>>
>>>Please keep me informed on your availability of
>>>
>>this
>>
>>>vital part, and what you would have to charge.
>>>
>>After
>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>have all the information from both you and Hoppen
>>>
>>I
>>
>>>will provide it to the list, and then based on a
>>>
>>>vote
>>>
>>>by the list we will choose where to go.
>>>
>>>Thanks the information
>>>
>>>Sincerely
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>--- Intended Acceleration
>>>
>>><Sales at IntendedAcceleration.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Chris,
>>>>
>>>>I'm interested.
>>>>
>>>>This will be an interesting group buy.
>>>>
>>>>The reason is that the 300 kPa Pressure
>>>>
>>>Transducers
>>>
>>>>needed for MTM 1+
>>>>
>>>>and our IA III+ and greater modifications is no
>>>>
>>>>longer available.
>>>>
>>>>SOo.. . . If any are located will the price be
>>>>
>>>sky
>>>
>>>>high?
>>>>
>>>>I'll keep you posted.
>>>>
>>>>Ned
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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>
>
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