[s-cars] RS6 Vs. ????

Wed Jun 26 01:36:11 EDT 2002

Robin,
Your arrogant attitude and condescension has reached a point where I
can't
deal with it any more.

You know damn well that we can't test drive an RS6 here in the States.

As for driving a car w/ a similar torque curve, yes, I have. I've not
driven a 996 turbo, I can't afford one nor do I know anyone well enough
to
lend me one for an extended drive.

Open minded? Simple physics dictate that you'll never achieve anything
close
to a 993/996 turbo due to the weight that the RS6 carries.

Lapping the Nordschliefe faster than the M5 is not relevant when you
were the
one talking about comparisons to Porsche turbos.

If you seriously believe that a 4000lb. car can do as well as a 3000lb.
car on
the track, you have a lot to learn about road racing.

I never compared my car to the RS6, nor would I, it's apples to oranges.

You're seriously delusional if you think that an RS6 has any right to be
compared
to a Porsche turbo.

An RS6 may be quite an impressive sedan, but it is not comparable to a
Porsche.

You want empirical evidence? 3 weeks ago, I was at Pocono w/ PCA. My
mechanic's
wife's 270hp 951S lapped about 2s faster than another buddy's 420hp
S4tt. She's
not as good of a driver as the owner of the S4, but the weight and the
chassis of
the S4 conspire against it when at the track. Even w/ a 150hp advantage,
the S4 was slower
and the S4 is a damn fast car in that state of tune in a straight line.
So don't talk to
me like I'm clueless or that I have no background in what I'm talking
about. Even the
owner of the S4tt admitted it's a pig of a car and he does know what
he's talking about.
I'm sorry you can't accept that fact.

You want to attack me personally, you got it, I'm not going to sit here
and take it and
not give you a piece of my mind.

Taka

-----Original Message-----
From: robin.stclair at web.de [mailto:robin.stclair at web.de]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:45 PM
To: TM
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [s-cars] RS6 Vs. ????

Taka
Have you ever driven a modern car with a torque curve that even remotely
approaches the RS6's? Or driven a 996 Turbo for any length of time?
Saying you wouldn't buy an RS6 if you won the lottery tomorrow says more
about how open minded you are on this issue, rather than your reasoned
conclusion based upon valid empirical experience. How about test driving
the car before reaching that conclusion? For your information, the RS6
laps the Nordschleife faster than the M5, it does not shift in corners,
it has a terrific suspension arrangement and really lets you choose
whether to be smooth and fast or fool around like a hooligan. As far as
your 'big pig' remark is concerned - go check the weights, you will be
surprised how little heavier the RS6 is. And some big pigs are fun on
the track, ask the Viper or Corvette drivers. For those who still have
doubts, expect to see the RS6 racing in the US next season. You cannot
compare your car to the RS6, it doesn't extrapolate. By way of
comparison with your attitude, I recall a conversation David Bailey, the
fashion photographer, had. He was asked by a businessman client if
French women really were the best in the world - Bailey replied, "I
wouldn't know, mate, I've only ever had two of them!" For those to whom
this tale is unfamiliar, I should explain that the two French women in
question were Bridgette Bardot and Catherine de Neuve!

R+C

-----Original Message-----
From: TM [mailto:t44tq at mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2002 4:40 AM
To: robin.stclair at web.de; s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [s-cars] RS6 Vs. ????

Robin,
No offense, but no matter how much torque there is, I want to be able to
shift gears myself and I don't want a torque converter slushbox. Even if
I hit the lottery tomorrow I wouldn't buy an RS6.

Comparing a big pig like the RS6 to a 993 or 996 turbo is ridiculous.
Maybe in straight line speed, but I'd like to see lap times.

There's a big reason why I'm starting to see exactly what my mechanic
has been saying all along- no matter what I do to the car, a big pig
isn't going to be very satifying on the track compared to something like
a '70 911 w/ a 3.2 Carrera
motor- 2400lbs., 232hp, you do the math.

Taka

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Robin St.Clair
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:01 PM
To: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: [s-cars] RS6 Vs. ????

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Guys

There has been some speculation about comparisons between the RS6 and
other super sedans, such as the M5.

I was even amused to see requests for magazine comparisons with the M5.
On this topic I only have two observations:

   You still believe journalists??????
   And for those that still believe, the German Motoring Press is
comparing the RS6 to Porsche Turbos. The M5 is being compared to the
Jaguar S Type R.

The torque curve of the RS6 renders a gearbox redundent - not required.
Sure you can use the paddles, but why, the car does everyrhing you want
without fiddling with paddles. As somebody said "...think Modena 360 F1,
without the Jerks..".

Even the brakes are pretty good, not fantastic (and my comparison is
abso;ute, not relative) but pretty good. Tap them a couple of times and
the rear seat driver is grabbing his stomach. The suspension is a
revelation, the steering feels good, think communicative, bumps and
holes are absorbed.

Surprise, the ESP is sporting in character, the rear end will go out
without ESP's intervention, though power slides require its deselection.

What this car excels at is long distance fast cruising, with one
exception, at 175 MPH, you are burning 46 litres per 100 km (5.12 mpg
US), so frequent stops for gas, and it revels in high octane.

Getting up to speed moves heads backwards, no matter the load, cornering
is unlike any recent Audi.

Dilemmas, yes - 18" or 19" wheels, until the rumored 19" high speed
(runflat?) from Michelin appears, the fast guys are sticking with the
18" rims for their higher speed and load rating. in case any of you
think this is a bit wimpy, Audi find tyre pressures important enough
that they through in a remote tyre pressure monitor, by no coincidence,
so did Porsche with their 959.

I asked a senior AOA person  why they were not bringing the Avant to the
States and was told that theS6 Avant was a dog on the market, and that
they weren't making that mistake again. mark you, I believe the S6 was
the mistake, not the Avant, poor value for money!

Arounfd the time I drove the RS6 i also drove a highly refined RS4, with
'sorted' brakes and suspension, and a well tuned engine. The RS6 still
impressed.

Much of the speculation about the car is based on the non-realisation of
the paradyme shift this car embodies. Shame really, so few places to
appreciate it as it is built to perform. Shortly after the Le Mans race
finished, I was able to discuss the engine with its designer, who had to
scratch his head somewhat, after all, he did the job in 1986 and Audi
has been waiting for brakes and chassis ever since. To fill the idle
moment, the self-same designer occupied himself with the design of the
R8 engine in recent years.

For those of you who insist on manual shifting, there is a solution, at
a price, oh, and expect to see the cars at a race track near you next
season.

R+C

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