[s-cars] Was B I G snow tires, now who needs em?!?!

Thu Nov 14 04:52:08 EST 2002

225s bad in the snow??? My 235/40ZR18 Bridgestone S03s are my dedicated snow
tire (oh and summer too). Great fun. Snow tires are for wimps.

Paul "opened a can o worms" Friedenberg

>From: Vincent Fr=E9geac <vfregeac at sympatico.ca>
>To: "'Mark Strangways'" <strangconst at rogers.com>,"'Raymond H. Tomlinson'"
><rtomlins at vermontlaw.edu>,<s-car-list at audifans.com>
>Subject: RE : [s-cars] B I G  snow tires
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:42:21 -0500
>
>235 for winter tire?!? Except if you plan to add another 1000 lbs in
>your car, I would stay away from them. Even 225s perform really bad in
>deep snow. I'd rather go 205 if you can fit them on your wheels. Never
>tried the Yoks but never heard good comments on them. Blizzaks are
>great, either the WS for the real winter or the LM-22 for a so-so
>winter.
>
>
>Vincent.
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De=A0: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
>[mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] De la part de Mark Strangways
>Envoy=E9=A0: 13 novembre 2002 20:33
>=C0=A0: Raymond H. Tomlinson; s-car-list at audifans.com
>Objet=A0: Re: [s-cars] B I G snow tires
>
>Well, seems I am in the same boat, although not being married and not
>having
>any joint checking account perhaps help my case a bit.
>I have the great decision to make.. buy 16" rims and snows, keep my 17"
>rims
>and go get some LM22's.
>My local, yes may be read as loco.. , tire dealer is trying to sell me
>some
>235/45/17 yokahama winter tires at a "great deal".. looks like a 50% off
>sale. Does Yok even make winter tires.
>Since my old 15" are completely outta the question, and I have had to
>run
>down the 400 hwy on my AVS-S1's in the snow. Time is running out for me.
>
>Any feedback on the Blizzack's or Yok's for that matter ?
>And 235 Width ??? is he serious ???
>
>regards,
>
>Mark
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Raymond H. Tomlinson" <rtomlins at vermontlaw.edu>
>To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:51 PM
>Subject: [s-cars] B I G snow tires
>
>
>Preface:  I'm a Vermonter, transplanted here in Boston.  I wear a
>Carhart
>jacket that has blood stains (mine, I think) on the sleeve, and the
>elbows
>and wrists are worn off.  Grew up racing Volvo wagons.  I know about
>wallow,
>understeer, poor brakes and lack of power.  I run dedicated snows.
>Sometimes year-round.  I am a diehard Nokia snow owner.  Given the
>opportunity, I'd run nothing else.  Except when the Hakka 1, Hakka 2,
>Hakka
>Q are NOT offered in 17" fitments, and when my local Nokia dealer wants
>to
>sell me 225/45/17 NRW's for $213.07 per, sans any french kissing first.
>To
>top it all off, sperm banks don't pay what they used to.  Or, maybe it
>is
>just me.
>
>Like everything in life, I wait until panic mode sets in.  I work better
>under pressure.  I'm supposed to go home this weekend (Vermont).  Mom
>says
>we're supposed to get hit with a bad storm.  So, I call my trusty
>salesman
>at the Tire Rack.  Luke praises the Blizzak LM22.  Our dialogue:
>
>RAY:  I want the name of the moron(s) who reported to you that Pole
>S03's
>are "good" in the snow.  Christ, at 40F in the rain they are downright
>dangerous.  Clearly these idiots are related to you.
>
>LUKE:  (chuckling) Actually, I think it was your father.
>
>RAY:  That's pretty funny.  Considering that my father died a horrific
>death
>when I ran him over with the tractor and brush hog when I was 12.
>(uneasy
>pause)  Seriously, when are you going to offer real snows, like my
>favorite
>Hakka 1's?
>
>LUKE:  (as if I said nothing) I'd go with the Blizzak LM22.
>
>RAY:  Of course you would.  You get another free jumper cable set and
>fuzzy
>hat that you can re-gift to your mother-in-law for Christmas.  Plus, I'd
>like my snows to last more than a month, so don't offer me none of that
>multi-cell crap.
>
>LUKE:  If you would shut the hell up, and listen to me, you would know
>LEARN
>that the LM22 is NOT a multi-cell compound.  Isn't it funny how SOME
>people
>can be so opinionated, yet not have all the facts?
>
>RAY:  Are we married?  Do you wash the stains out of my underwear?  Do
>we
>share a joint checking account?  How about we try it this way:  I'll ask
>you
>what tire in a 225 lays down the least treadwith, and you give me the
>price
>that will keep me referring people to you.  Deal?
>
>LUKE:  Oh yeah, I forgot.  The Audi guys know everything.
>
>RAY:  No, just me.  But, at least you are catching on.  Always nice to
>chat
>with you.  Do you still have my credit card on file?
>
>LUKE:  I've already shipped the tires.  Thanks for the jumper cable set.
>
>
>Luke proceeds to tell me that the LM22 in a 225 lays down only 6.9" of
>tread.  Looking through my notes, I find that a 205/55/16 Hakka 1 lays
>down
>8.4" of treadwidth.
>
>Then, I start running another dialogue in my head:  Do I buy yet another
>set
>of 16" wheels, this time clearing my brakes by a hair, and then repaint
>my
>mutilated calipers in the spring, or do I throw snows on my 17" wheels
>and
>then drop coin for some Superleggera's in the spring?
>
>Any and all thoughts welcome.
>
>Ray Tomlinson
>
>
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