[s-cars] RE: Reversed IM

[auditude at cox.net]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the information.  Good stuff.

As for the blemish, the seller does appear to be the actual manufacturer of the intake.  The ebay ID is
"Carsten", which appears to be one of the Wagner's first names.  Could be coincidence perhaps.
http://www.wagner-tuning.de/content/Specials/Impressum/impressum.html

So, it may be that he just doesn't want to sell it as first quality since it was reworked, which is
understandable.  Still caveat emptor tho'.

It would make sense that the tuner themselves would have an item like that on hand to dispose of.
Perhaps more reassuring than if it were some third party who hacked it up and then patched it to get rid of
it.

I asked for some information, including a pic of the reworked area, but I haven't gotten any hint of a
response.

For my motor project, I was going to try to get a custom fuel rail made up, as I don't have any Audi 20v
ones to make sure the intake fits anyway.  The pressure regulator will be a speed shop type item, rather
than an OEM one.

I am relieved that there are at least two options for reversed manifolds that aren't astronomically priced like
the MTM version.  They're still money but about half as much as those.

Does anyone here know of any performance or other differences between the Wagner Tuning manifold the
thread is about, and the TS-Tuning reversed manifold?  They are priced the same and are similar except
for appearance (and responsiveness to inquiries).

Thanks,

Ken

On 12 Oct 2002 at 14:19, Steve Eiche wrote:

> Ken,
> You can tell that it's an ur q by the core support as well as the
> hydraulic system.  I can tell it's an '84 -'86  by the hydraulic pump.
> Later MB (10V) and RR (20V) ur qs used a different hydraulic system and
> pump, identical to '90-'91 CQs and 90 20V cars in the US.  You can tell
> its a Euro car by the ABS.  You can also tell that it's wasn't an RR ur
> q because the RR cars have a removable section of the core support just
> in front of the timing belt cover.   The core support is solid in the
> picture.
>
> The 20V ur qs use the RR code engine, which is virtually identical to
> the 3B as used in the '91 200q and early S2s.  No ur q was fit with an
> distributorless engine from the factory.
>
> So, this tells me that the car in the picture was '84- '86 ur q that
> someone put an AAN (ur S4/6), ABY (S2) or ADU (RS2) engine in.   My
> guess it that they used the ABY.
>
> Seeing that the description says that it will fit a 20V ur q, I think it
> would be safe to say that it would clear a distributor.  Only the RS2
> intake would have trouble clearing a distributor, and you can make them
> fit with some minor modification.  Due note that the description for the
> manifold in question also says that it is a blemished item that was
> repaired.  Caveat Emptor.
>
> One other note, it doesn't say what fuel rails will fit.  It shows the
> ADU/ABY type fuel rail with the integral FPR.  The 3B FPR bolts to the
> intake manifold.  If the bosses for the FPR mount aren't on the intake,
> you would either need to add them or use the ADU/ABY fuel rail.
>
> Happy bidding!
>
> HTH!
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: auditude at cox.net
> Sent: Fri 2/8/2002 1:57 AM
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Cc: Steve Eiche
> Subject: Re: Reversed IM
>
>
>
> 	Regarding that pic, the engine, and the car that it's in:
>
> 	Does that appear to be not the original engine, if that is an
> ur-q?  The valve
> 	cover appears to be one with direct ignition.  Were the 20vt
> ur-q's fitted with
> 	AAN/ADU/ABY style direct ignition, or were they fitted with
> physical ignition
> 	distributors like a 3B?
>
> 	I would like to know if there were any ur-q's with 20vt with
> direct ignition from
> 	the factory.  I'm trying to determine if that manifold would fit
> on a car with a
> 	distributor.  It is said to fit an S2/RS2 and ur-q 20vt.  I know
> the first two are
> 	direct ignition, but I though the RR/ur-q 20vt had a
> distributor.
>
> 	If that's true, and that pic is an ur-q (how can you tell? it
> looks like the core
> 	support has a bend in it, and I thought the Type 85's are fairly
> straight), then
> 	perhaps it has either been converted to direct ignition with the
> other valve
> 	cover, or the whole motor has been swapped to that style.
>
> 	Does that makes sense?
>
> 	Thanks,
>
> 	Ken
>
> 	Steve Eiche seiche at cellport.com wrote:
> 	>
> 	> Rich,
> 	> No Audi came from the factory with this manifold.  A few
> aftermarket
> 	> companies make/made intakes like these (MTM, TS Tuning) and
> the prices
> 	> are/were in the $900-$1500 range.  It could be an Audi Sport
> piece
> 	> (SMS?), but I've never seen another one exactly like it. This
> is the
> 	> hot setup if you use a front mounted IC in an ur q, S2 or RS2
> as it
> 	> removes about 3' of lag inducing plumbing from the stock
> 	> configuration. Although the manifold is a bolt-on, the IC and
> 	> corresponding plumbing is not.  This manifold is not
> compatible with
> 	> the AAN S4/S6 cars, but they alreadly have a good manifold
> design
> 	> anyway.  HTH!
> 	>
> 	> FWI, from the looks of it, that engine is mounted in an '86 or
> so Euro
> 	> ur q (ATF hyd. system, ABS).
> 	>
> 	> Steve Eiche
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> Here is a pic of the turned around intake manifold. Anybody
> know what
> 	> model it comes from? http://www.geocities.com/rictan302/IM.jpg
> 	>
> 	> Rich
>
>