[s-cars] Re: S4 Chip

[chris chambers]

I would say you are partially right...

The part about chipping a car exposing weak links is correct.

HOWEVER

Not all weak or failing parts will make themselves known because they
can perform up the the requirements of a stock engine. When pushed to
the next level they can fail or their weakness can become apparent.

With that being said I would also state that doing informed prudent
maintenance of your car before chipping is always advisable ex: new
boost hoses, plugs, and other wear items.


Chris


--- Dave Forgie <forgied at direct.ca> wrote:
> Richard:  I agree about the fact that a chip will expose all the
> other "hidden"
> problems, e.g. boost leaks, bad plugs, etc.  What I very much
> disagree with is
> you need a tuner to sort these things out.  The car should not have
> these
> problems before you add the chip, i.e. boost leaks should have been
> sorted,
> plugs changed, etc. before the chip. Sounds like you thought you
> needed a chip
> because you had less power than you wanted.  In fact, a knowledgeable
> mechanic
> (or somebody with  a boost leak "kit") should have gone through the
> car before
> you proceeded and fixed what needed to be fixed. .  Adding a chip to
> a car that
> isn't running 100% stock is like adding more make-up to Roseanne Barr
> - no
> amount is going to make her Claudia Schiffer.
>
> Dave F.
>
> Richard Tanimura wrote:
>
> > Fair question but pretty simplistic.
> >
> > A chip resides in an environment. That environment may or may not
> be working
> > well. A performance chip invariable exposes the weaknesses in the
> rest of
> > the system because you are demanding more of all the parts. Since
> they first
> > show up when you put the chip in, your first response is to turn to
> the chip
> > tuner. More often than not, the problems prove to be mechanical.
> But you
> > need the tuner to help you discover if they are or aren't. Tuning
> is about
> > iteration. It is not a question of a "project" but rather a
> process. That is
> > where support comes in.
> >
> > E.g. I got my chip from Mihnea plus a 2.5 bar PT. I put it in and
> thought it
> > was a big improvement. But Mihnea asked me how much boost I was
> getting. I
> > told him 1.1-1.3 bar. He told me I had a leak in my boost system.
> He talked
> > me through finding it. He then had me go out and do test runs. He
> suggested
> > that I tighten down the WG spring and things got even better.
> >
> > So far, none of the problems were in the chip. It was just the chip
> tuner
> > that help me sort them.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Forgie [mailto:forgied at direct.ca]
> > Sent: den 16 juli 2003 07:54
> > To: richard at tanimuras.com; s-cars
> > Subject: S4 Chip
> >
> > Mike and Rich: If a chip is "good" (or great) why does it need
> support?
> > Isn't it "sorted" before you spend your $$$ on it?  Unless you are
> doing
> > something out of the ordinary (say K26/Garrett hybrid), then I
> might
> > understand the need for 'support', otherwise, I  wouldn't want to
> buy or
> > recommend anybody's "science project".
> >
> > Dave F.
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